DiscoverMaking Sense with Sam Harris#152 — The Trouble with Facebook
#152 — The Trouble with Facebook

#152 — The Trouble with Facebook

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In the episode of the Making Sense podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Roger McNamee about his book Zucked: Waking Up to the Facebook Catastrophe.

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Martin Z

stopped listening when this guy claimed the image recognition capcha is a machine learning tool to train self driving cars. pretty effing ridiculous stuff

Jul 31st
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Martin Z

Guillermo Dominguez i know that. thats totally besides the point tho. thats like saying "since the government uses taxpayer dollars to build roads and hospitals, that means they also use our money to build interdimensional portals to the moon". in other words, capchas being used for programming certain lower risk software or having other uses doesnt mean they speficically use it to train their cars. somwthing that would surely end up is very badly programmed recognition software in these cars

Sep 6th
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Martin Z

Sebastian Nyberg if 50% get it wrong you might as well flip a coin. and no, i dont think he's right. google wouldnt be dumb enough to trust the programming of their cars, something that if done incorrectly could cost them billions in liability, to some random people (and robots pretending to be people) with no accountability or proper instruction. just because they use capchas for other things doesnt mean they use it for cars. show me concrete proof they use it for cars cauae i havent seen any official statements from them saying so

Sep 6th
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James Russell

Great!

Jul 11th
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Joel Falk

Great podcast! If you've ever wondered how Facebook and Google can offer so much for free, this answers that question. And that answer should be greatly worrying to everyone.

Apr 25th
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Facts Don't Care About Your Feelings

Joel Falk The only way to stop unethical companies like Amazon (who also do tons of spying, and work with police via Rekognition), Google, Facebook, Microsoft (Windows 10 has an INSANE amount of spying, #1 worst OS ever), and Twitter is to STOP USING THEM! Do not give them a cent or one kilobyte of traffic. Instead use alternatives like DuckDuckGo for private searching, use Bitchute instead of YouTube (owned by Google), and use alternative social like Gab, Mastodon, and Minds. And take control of your own money while you are at it, stop using these big banks, start using bitcoin, and start taking control of your own money, with no restrictions and not dependent on any 3rd party.

Jun 5th
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David Matthews

a) it is true Facebook's data collection and influence issues are important b) but they did not help Russia manipulate the election; it is clear Russia was one of many international actors trying to sew conflict, and that this is standard political maneuvering every sovereign nation has to contend with c) this guest has been hanging around Bono too much, his whole ethos is a gust of empty platitudes.😂

Apr 15th
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Cliff Bates

How can someone bitch about a free product for almost 2 hours? if you don't like it, don't use it. If you want to spend millions to make your own social network product and run it your way, go for it. We'll see how many people join you.

Apr 9th
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Roland Arredondo

Cliff Bates Free? What's that old saying? There's no such thing as a free lunch. Theyre selling your soul to the highest bidder and you don't even realize it or care it seems

Apr 23rd
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J.t. Brown

Cliff Bates are you a bot or something?

Apr 11th
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Sean Crutchfield

Great episode! I learned a great deal that I did not know before. Clearly some people did not listen to the full episode.

Apr 7th
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JJ Todilinus

What bullshit! The guy is spewing total crock! WHERE IS THE RUSSIA BUMP? They have the ability to monitor opinion down to a day of what people thought and why and yet no one can show the Russia effect? Where is it? Anything to change the topic away from corruption of media and establishment. there is a country that regularly influences US elections - Israel - look up Noam Chomsky saying these very things - the Russia story was manufactured completely. The reason why the establishment is making an example of Facebook is not to protect your data, are you crazy? this is their way of telling Google, Facebook and Microsoft "you better do as we please." the internet cables are owned by the government.

Apr 4th
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Nick Prudhomme

Can someone please provide evidence of Google selling data? Their privacy policy clearly states that they do not do this. Third party vendors pay Google for ad space on their website, which is highly valuable because ads can be tailored to each individual user based on their data and search history. This isn't selling data. This is selling ad space. The ad space is valuable because Google has access (with consent) to consumer preferences. You can even opt out of of giving access to a lot of the data they collect. Now, if someone can provide evidence of Google selling data, I'm all ears. Until then, this claim is baseless, as far as I'm concerned.

Mar 28th
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Sheana

Nick Prudhomme Agreed! I just heard another interesting episode about privacy practices here: https://castbox.fm/vb/137869070

Mar 31st
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Nick Prudhomme

DAC I'm specifically talking about google, and no I do not work for them. Google does not give away your personal data to third parties without consent. They use it to enhance the attractiveness of their ad space, but it never leaves Google.

Mar 29th
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Buddy Hershey

facebook is for grandparents, within five years it will be mentioned in the same breath as myspace

Mar 28th
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Bethesda's Creation

Buddy Hershey As in very few mentions of it.

Apr 3rd
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Charg

DAC i regard facebook as a dead platform

Mar 29th
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Joshua Leonard

interesting talk. but..."Corporations are not allowed to distroy civilisation just because it's more profitable than building civilisation." Really?!

Mar 28th
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Adam Cook

Joshua Leonard The principle you quoted is certainly unfavourable. But the notion that an arbitrary party defining that which (morally) constitutes the 'destruction' of civilisation would assume and exercise agency is thoroughly anticapitalist. It's a conversation that many facebook users do not take seriously in my experience.

Mar 28th
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John Wick

This guy talks like a priest or a politician, where just the way he talks makes me think he is lying about everything and trying to sell me something.

Mar 28th
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Chris Christopherson

John Wick nice deflection to his points, John Wick would be rolling in his grave at your stupid copyright violation

May 7th
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Eric Staples

John Wick I was looking through the comments section for this comment. Agree 100%. His cadence and polish when he's in storytime mode are a little too well rehearsed and it trips my bullshit alarm. Not to say he's lying, but he's definitely putting a spin on his stories.

Apr 2nd
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Richard Bregoliss

The compression/gate is making the rhythm seem weird... Like its edited.

Mar 28th
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Arturo de la cruz

What does he mean with android is a vacuum cleaner

Mar 27th
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Arturo de la cruz

I hope he gets on the Joe rogan podcast this was very interesting

Mar 27th
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johnnybash

Arturo de la cruz relax, not criticising, my bad

Mar 28th
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Chris Winn

johnnybash Roger not Sam, come on wake up!

Mar 28th
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#152 — The Trouble with Facebook

#152 — The Trouble with Facebook