Episode 187 of the Fly on the Wall podcast is live—and it’s a big one for pastors and leaders.

In this episode, Chris Sonksen sits down with Pastor Clyde to tackle a quiet challenge that’s holding churches back: We’re great at building teams, but not at building tribes.

👉 If your volunteers feel like they're just filling a spot…
 👉 If your part-time or stipend staff aren’t sure what’s expected…
 👉 If your staff meetings lack energy and buy-in…

This episode is exactly what you need.

🎧 You’ll discover:

• Why people don’t stay committed to teams—but they will to tribes
• How to raise the bar with volunteers (without overwhelming them)
• A practical way to make every staff member effective, no matter their hours
• How to lead better staff meetings that spark buy-in, creativity, and momentum
• Simple shifts that will turn your church from “meh” to magnetic

🛠️ Chris also shares how small, strategic changes at the top can build a culture of ownership from the ground up.

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Fly on the Wall Podcast, presented by Church Boom, takes pastors into a live coaching session with Chris Sonksen, CEO & Founder of Church Boom. Each episode features a pastor, just like you, as they share the challenges they face and get practical advice on how to overcome them.