It’s one thing to grow a church—it’s another thing to sustain that growth with the right leaders in the right places.

In Episode 190 of the Fly on the Wall Podcast, I sit down with Pastor Eli from Ohio for a powerful conversation about building leadership pipelines that work—not just for a season, but for the long haul.

If you’ve ever felt like you’re constantly plugging holes, re-training the same people, or doing too much yourself, this episode is going to hit home.

Here’s what we talk about:

• How to build a repeatable leadership development system
• Why ownership beats volunteering every time
• The one mindset shift that changes how people show up to serve
• What to do when your team starts feeling stale or disengaged
• How clarity + coaching leads to sustainable growth

Eli shares the actual systems they’ve used to raise up hundreds of volunteers and leaders—and how those systems freed him to focus on what matters most.

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Fly on the Wall Podcast, presented by Church Boom, takes pastors into a live coaching session with Chris Sonksen, CEO & Founder of Church Boom. Each episode features a pastor, just like you, as they share the challenges they face and get practical advice on how to overcome them.