In this episode, Matt speaks with climate writer and researcher Stephen Lezak about Bill Gates’s recent essay arguing that climate change is serious but will not lead to humanity’s demise and that global policy should focus more on poverty and disease. Lezak explains why he challenged that framing in his New York Times op-ed, noting that Gates downplays risks like runaway warming and ignores how climate harms fall disproportionately on poor and Indigenous communities. They discuss the dangers of overstating or understating existential risk, the accelerating possibility of an ice-free Arctic summer, and the need for more just, effective climate policy.

• Read Bill Gates’ essay here: https://bit.ly/4rlaU4g


• Read Stephen’s New York Times op-ed here: https://bit.ly/4p789Ca

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Stephen’s Bio:

Stephen Lezak is a Research Fellow at UC Berkeley’s Goldman School of Public Policy and a former Gates Cambridge Scholar with a PhD in Polar Studies. An IPCC expert reviewer, he writes widely on climate justice, Indigenous adaptation, and carbon finance, including recent op-eds in The New York Times, The Hill, and The Conversation.

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