#2194 - Luis Elizondo
#2194 - Luis Elizondo
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This podcast delves into the world of UFOs, or as the US government now calls them, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP). The guest, a former counterintelligence officer with extensive experience in the military and federal service, shares his firsthand account of being involved in a secretive program investigating UAPs. He describes his initial skepticism and how he gradually came to believe in the reality of UFOs based on official reports, videos, and eyewitness accounts. The guest recounts a significant encounter with a Brazilian general who shared information about the Coladas incident, a major UFO event in Brazil, solidifying his belief in the phenomenon. He discusses the seriousness of the issue, highlighting near misses between UFOs and military aircraft and the national security implications of these encounters. The guest also reveals that the US government is in possession of exotic materials not made by humans, recovered from UFOs, suggesting advanced technology beyond human capabilities. He explores the scientific consensus that UFOs may be manipulating spacetime to achieve their extraordinary performance capabilities, explaining the concept of gravity as the warping of spacetime and how manipulating it could explain the observed UFO behavior. The guest presents the military's perspective on UFOs, considering the possibility of benevolent, neutral, or hostile intentions, and argues that the military's primary concern is national security and the potential for an invasion. He expresses optimism for UFO disclosure, citing the growing public interest and the bipartisan support in Congress, emphasizing the importance of transparency and accountability in addressing this issue. The conversation delves into the challenges of reverse engineering advanced technology, using the analogy of presenting a garage door opener to Leonardo da Vinci, highlighting the need for specialized expertise and the limitations of current scientific understanding. The guest discusses the Bob Lazar story, a controversial figure who claims to have worked on reverse engineering UAP technology, emphasizing the importance of maintaining investigative integrity and avoiding preconceived notions. The discussion explores the potential for mind-controlled technology, drawing parallels to recent advancements in neural link technology, arguing that such technology could be a plausible explanation for the observed capabilities of UAPs. The speaker emphasizes the importance of destigmatizing the paranormal and UFO phenomena, arguing that many things once considered paranormal have become commonplace, and that our current understanding of the universe is limited. He explores the possibility of extraterrestrial life, highlighting the vastness of the universe and the potential for civilizations far more advanced than our own, emphasizing the importance of considering alternative perspectives and challenging our assumptions. The speaker asserts that the presence of UAPs is undeniable, regardless of their origin, discussing the challenges of gathering empirical evidence and the potential for UAPs to be from underwater or even a dimension beyond our understanding. He draws a comparison between human observation of wildlife and the potential for UAPs to observe humanity, suggesting that UAPs may be employing camouflage and other strategies to avoid detection, similar to how humans interact with sensitive animal populations. The speaker shares anecdotal accounts of UAP encounters, including a helicopter pilot's experience with a large, round object that submerged a missile, and discusses the Aguavea incident, a video of a UAP entering and exiting the water without making a splash. He explores the potential purpose of UAP encounters, considering the possibility of a demonstration of capabilities or a gradual sensitization of humanity to their presence, acknowledging the limitations of our understanding and the need to avoid anthropomorphizing UAP behavior. The speaker discusses the potential for a natural progression of intelligent life, suggesting that the expansion and innovation observed in Earth's life forms may be a universal phenomenon, exploring the implications of this for our understanding of UAPs and the potential for a life form beyond biology. He emphasizes the importance of open dialogue and transparency regarding UAPs, arguing that the government should not dictate public opinion on the matter, expressing concern about corruption and the potential for secrecy to undermine democratic values. The speaker explores the possibility that UAPs may have been responsible for the emergence of humanity, drawing parallels to ancient accounts and religious concepts of vessels for souls, suggesting that the evolution of intelligent life may be a more complex process than we currently understand. He shares a personal story about his mother's death, describing a profound experience that led him to believe in the existence of a soul beyond the physical body and intellect, arguing that this experience reinforces the idea that there is more to the human experience than we currently understand. The speaker discusses the role of technology in human evolution, suggesting that our insatiable desire for innovation may be a driving force behind our progress, exploring the possibility that we may eventually evolve beyond our biological limitations, potentially ushering in a new type of life form. He expresses concern about the lack of open dialogue and public participation in the UAP conversation, arguing that the government should not control public opinion on this matter and that the topic is too important to be kept secret. The speaker discusses the threat of corruption, drawing on his father's experiences in the Bay of Pigs invasion, arguing that corruption can erode democratic values and that it is essential for government officials to uphold their commitment to serving the American people. The speaker concludes by emphasizing the importance of transparency and openness in the UAP conversation, believing that the government's secrecy on this matter is a greater threat to humanity than any UAP could ever be.
Outlines
Introduction and Background
The podcast begins with a brief introduction and a discussion about the guest's background, including his time in the military and federal service.
Counter Intelligence and the Pentagon
The guest discusses his work in counterintelligence and his transition to the Pentagon in 2008. He explains the challenges of integrating national intelligence information with local law enforcement.
Introduction to UFOs and the ASAP Program
The guest describes being approached about a secretive program and his initial skepticism about UFOs. He explains his background in aerospace and counterintelligence, which made him a suitable candidate for the program.
The UFO Encounter and the Scientific Method
The guest recounts a meeting with Dr. James Lekatsky, a leading rocket scientist, who asked him about his beliefs on UFOs. The guest's skepticism and his reliance on the scientific method are highlighted.
The Gradual Realization of UFOs
The guest describes his gradual realization that the program was focused on UFOs, based on official reports, videos, and eyewitness accounts. He explains the unique characteristics of UFOs that defy conventional understanding of aircraft.
The Brazilian General and the Coladas Incident
The guest recounts a dinner with a Brazilian general who shared information about the Coladas incident, a significant UFO event in Brazil. This encounter solidified the guest's belief in the reality of UFOs.
Near Misses and the Seriousness of the Issue
The guest discusses the seriousness of the UFO issue, highlighting near misses between UFOs and military aircraft. He emphasizes the national security implications of these encounters.
The Oldest Compelling Evidence and Project Blue Book
The guest addresses the possibility of a secret US government program involving advanced propulsion systems. He presents a document from 1950 that highlights the early recognition of UFO activity near sensitive military installations, marking the beginning of Project Blue Book.
The Focus on Current Information and National Security
The guest explains the military's focus on current information and national security concerns, rather than historical UFO sightings. He discusses the global nature of the UFO phenomenon and the interest in it by other countries.
The Stigma and Taboo Surrounding UFOs
The guest explores the reasons behind the stigma and taboo surrounding UFOs, attributing it to the government's efforts to discredit the topic. He argues that the public deserves to know the truth about UFOs.
Compelling Footage and Intelligence Oversight
The guest discusses the compelling footage he has seen, including a video of a large object moving underwater at high speed. He explains the limitations of using civilian footage due to intelligence oversight regulations.
The Unifying Theory and Spacetime Manipulation
The guest discusses the scientific consensus that UFOs may be manipulating spacetime to achieve their extraordinary performance capabilities. He explains the concept of gravity as the warping of spacetime and how manipulating it could explain the observed UFO behavior.
Government Possession of Exotic Material
The guest confirms that the US government is in possession of exotic material not made by humans. He explains the reasons for the government's cautious approach to disclosure, including the potential for societal disruption and national security concerns.
The Military's Perspective on UFOs
The guest presents the military's perspective on UFOs, considering the possibility of benevolent, neutral, or hostile intentions. He argues that the military's primary concern is national security and the potential for an invasion.
Optimism for Disclosure and the Future
The guest expresses optimism for UFO disclosure, citing the growing public interest and the bipartisan support in Congress. He emphasizes the importance of transparency and accountability in addressing this issue.
Legal Issues and the Need for Transparency
The guest discusses the legal issues surrounding UFOs, including potential liability for unfair advantage given to certain companies. He advocates for a transparent approach to disclosure, including forgiveness for past actions and immunity from prosecution.
The Challenge of Reverse Engineering Advanced Technology
The discussion explores the difficulty of reverse engineering advanced technology, using the analogy of presenting a garage door opener to Leonardo da Vinci. The speaker emphasizes the need for specialized expertise and the limitations of current scientific understanding.
Bob Lazar and the UAP Phenomenon
The conversation delves into the Bob Lazar story, a controversial figure who claims to have worked on reverse engineering UAP technology. The speaker discusses his own approach to the topic, emphasizing the importance of maintaining investigative integrity and avoiding preconceived notions.
The Potential for Mind-Controlled Technology
The discussion explores the potential for mind-controlled technology, drawing parallels to recent advancements in neural link technology. The speaker argues that such technology could be a plausible explanation for the observed capabilities of UAPs.
Destigmatizing the Paranormal
The speaker discusses the importance of destigmatizing the paranormal and UFO phenomena. He argues that many things once considered paranormal have become commonplace, and that our current understanding of the universe is limited.
The Possibility of Extraterrestrial Life
The speaker explores the possibility of extraterrestrial life, highlighting the vastness of the universe and the potential for civilizations far more advanced than our own. He emphasizes the importance of considering alternative perspectives and challenging our assumptions.
The Presence of UAPs and the Search for Evidence
The speaker asserts that the presence of UAPs is undeniable, regardless of their origin. He discusses the challenges of gathering empirical evidence and the potential for UAPs to be from underwater or even a dimension beyond our understanding.
The Potential for UAPs to Observe Humanity
The speaker draws a comparison between human observation of wildlife and the potential for UAPs to observe humanity. He suggests that UAPs may be employing camouflage and other strategies to avoid detection, similar to how humans interact with sensitive animal populations.
Anecdotal Evidence of UAP Encounters
The speaker shares anecdotal accounts of UAP encounters, including a helicopter pilot's experience with a large, round object that submerged a missile. He also discusses the Aguavea incident, a video of a UAP entering and exiting the water without making a splash.
The Purpose of UAP Encounters
The speaker explores the potential purpose of UAP encounters, considering the possibility of a demonstration of capabilities or a gradual sensitization of humanity to their presence. He acknowledges the limitations of our understanding and the need to avoid anthropomorphizing UAP behavior.
The Natural Progression of Intelligent Life
The speaker discusses the potential for a natural progression of intelligent life, suggesting that the expansion and innovation observed in Earth's life forms may be a universal phenomenon. He explores the implications of this for our understanding of UAPs and the potential for a life form beyond biology.
The Importance of Open Dialogue and Transparency
The speaker emphasizes the importance of open dialogue and transparency regarding UAPs, arguing that the government should not dictate public opinion on the matter. He expresses concern about corruption and the potential for secrecy to undermine democratic values.
The Potential for UAPs to be Responsible for Humanity
The speaker explores the possibility that UAPs may have been responsible for the emergence of humanity, drawing parallels to ancient accounts and religious concepts of vessels for souls. He suggests that the evolution of intelligent life may be a more complex process than we currently understand.
The Essence of Humanity and the Soul
The speaker shares a personal story about his mother's death, describing a profound experience that led him to believe in the existence of a soul beyond the physical body and intellect. He argues that this experience reinforces the idea that there is more to the human experience than we currently understand.
The Role of Technology in Human Evolution
The speaker discusses the role of technology in human evolution, suggesting that our insatiable desire for innovation may be a driving force behind our progress. He explores the possibility that we may eventually evolve beyond our biological limitations, potentially ushering in a new type of life form.
The Need for Open Dialogue and Public Participation
The speaker expresses concern about the lack of open dialogue and public participation in the UAP conversation. He argues that the government should not control public opinion on this matter and that the topic is too important to be kept secret.
The Threat of Corruption
The speaker discusses the threat of corruption, drawing on his father's experiences in the Bay of Pigs invasion. He argues that corruption can erode democratic values and that it is essential for government officials to uphold their commitment to serving the American people.
The Importance of Transparency and Openness
The speaker concludes by emphasizing the importance of transparency and openness in the UAP conversation. He believes that the government's secrecy on this matter is a greater threat to humanity than any UAP could ever be.
Closing Remarks and Appreciation
The speaker expresses gratitude to the guest for their insights and acknowledges the significant responsibility they carry. They emphasize the importance of honesty, candor, and speaking one's mind, recognizing the guest's influence and impact.
Keywords
Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP)
UAP is a term used by the US government to describe unidentified objects observed in the sky, replacing the term UFO (Unidentified Flying Object). It encompasses observations across multiple domains, including air, space, and underwater.
Spacetime Manipulation
A theoretical explanation for UFOs' extraordinary performance capabilities, suggesting that they manipulate spacetime to achieve instantaneous acceleration, hypersonic speeds, and other unusual maneuvers.
Exotic Material
Materials with properties beyond those found in nature or currently understood by science. The US government is believed to be in possession of exotic materials recovered from UFOs, suggesting advanced technology beyond human capabilities.
Project Blue Book
A US Air Force project that investigated UFO sightings from 1952 to 1969. It was initially intended to debunk UFO reports, but later acknowledged the existence of unexplained phenomena.
Coladas Incident
A significant UFO event in Brazil, involving multiple eyewitnesses, video, and photographs. It highlights the global nature of the UFO phenomenon and the interest in it by other countries.
Intelligence Oversight
Regulations and laws designed to prevent the US government from conducting intelligence operations on American citizens. This has limited the use of civilian UFO footage in official investigations.
Transmedium Vehicles
Vehicles capable of operating in multiple domains, such as air, space, and underwater. UFOs are often reported as transmedium, suggesting a fundamentally different type of technology than conventional aircraft.
Unifying Theory
A scientific concept that seeks to explain a wide range of phenomena with a single set of principles. In the context of UFOs, a unifying theory could explain their unusual performance characteristics through spacetime manipulation.
Q&A
What was the first thing that made you realize that there's something going on here that defies conventional wisdom or conventional understanding of propulsion systems?
One of the most compelling moments was attending a dinner with individuals associated with the ASAP program, where a Brazilian general described the Coladas incident, a significant UFO event in Brazil. This encounter, along with the overwhelming evidence presented, solidified my belief in the reality of UFOs.
What is the most compelling, modern thing that you've seen?
I can't talk about it specifically, but there is a high-resolution video of an object underwater, moving at speeds calculated between 450 and 550 knots. It was bigger than an offshore oil derrick and zipped right by it. This highlights the transmedium nature of UFOs and their ability to operate in multiple domains.
Why is the Pentagon teasing us? Why are they allowing you to say we are in possession of something that was not made by human beings, but not allowed to elaborate or show the compelling videos?
I believe they have no choice. With the proliferation of cell phones and ring cameras, the cat is out of the bag. Additionally, there is a faction within the government that wants this conversation to occur, but there are still those who oppose it. The mere fact of my being on this show will cause a storm inside the Pentagon, and I'm sure the other shoe will drop.
Could you steal man their position, meaning could you argue it from their perspective, why it would be a good reason to keep this stuff quiet?
From a military perspective, there are three options: UFOs are good, neutral, or bad. If they're good, we have nothing to worry about. However, there's no evidence to suggest they're truly benevolent. If they're neutral, we still have to be cautious because they've interfered with our nuclear capabilities. If they're bad, then acknowledging their existence could tip our hand and potentially trigger an invasion.
What is the most important thing you want people to take away from this conversation?
I believe the American people deserve the truth about UFOs. This is a real issue, not a matter of conspiracy theories or science fiction. We need transparency and accountability from the government, and we need to have this conversation openly and honestly.
What are the challenges of reverse engineering advanced technology, and how does this relate to the study of UAPs?
Reverse engineering advanced technology is incredibly difficult, especially when the technology is based on principles we don't fully understand. This is analogous to presenting a garage door opener to Leonardo da Vinci, who wouldn't have the necessary knowledge to comprehend its workings. The same challenges apply to UAPs, as their technology may be far beyond our current scientific understanding.
What is the Bob Lazar story, and how does it relate to the UAP phenomenon?
Bob Lazar is a controversial figure who claims to have worked on reverse engineering UAP technology at a secret government facility. His story involves advanced propulsion systems and the element 115, which was not even known to exist at the time. While his claims are disputed, they highlight the potential for UAPs to possess technology far beyond our current capabilities.
How does the concept of mind-controlled technology relate to the observed capabilities of UAPs?
Recent advancements in neural link technology, which allows for direct communication between the brain and a computer, suggest that mind-controlled interfaces are becoming increasingly feasible. This raises the possibility that UAPs may utilize similar technology, allowing for instantaneous control and manipulation of their craft through thought alone.
Why is it important to destigmatize the paranormal and UFO phenomena?
Many things once considered paranormal, such as cell phones and acupuncture, have become commonplace. This highlights the limitations of our current understanding of the universe and the need to challenge our assumptions. Destigmatizing these phenomena allows for a more open and objective exploration of the unknown.
Show Notes
Luis "Lue" Elizondo is the former head of the Pentagon’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), which investigated UFOs, now referred to as Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP). A veteran of the U.S. Army, he has worked in counterintelligence and counterterrorism worldwide. His new book, "Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs," is available now.
https://luiselizondo-official.com
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the more he talks about it the more I think UFOs are fake. it makes no sense to me that our top secret level government officials want this information out in the open by someone supposedly close to top level secrecy unless they want it to be believed.