DiscoverThe Joe Rogan Experience#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

#2211 - Michael Shellenberger

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This podcast delves into a range of controversial topics, starting with the Twitter Files Brazil, which revealed evidence of censorship targeting journalists and politicians critical of the government. The podcast explores the dilemma facing Elon Musk regarding X's ban in Brazil, highlighting the tension between free speech and government control. It then examines the role of the global elite and the deep state in controlling information and suppressing populism, particularly in areas like COVID, elections, and migration. The podcast also discusses the CIA's infiltration of Twitter and the rise of alternative media as a response to growing censorship. The conversation then shifts to the medicalization of society, arguing that the over-medicalization of everyday experiences, including childhood, pregnancy, and puberty, pathologizes natural processes and undermines natural immunity. The podcast explores the potential benefits of psychedelics, particularly MDMA, in treating trauma, while acknowledging the risks and the need for responsible use. It delves into the historical and cultural context of drug prohibition in the United States, arguing that the demonization of certain substances has led to unintended consequences, including the opioid crisis. The speaker advocates for a more nuanced approach, similar to the Dutch model, which combines legalization with harm reduction strategies. The podcast concludes with a discussion about censorship and free speech, highlighting the importance of a free speech movement and the dangers of government control over information. It examines the Hunter Biden laptop story, revealing how a disinformation campaign was orchestrated by the FBI and CIA to discredit the story before it was released. The conversation then delves into the topic of UFOs, focusing on the Aspen Institute's role in promoting disinformation about the phenomenon. The speaker introduces a new whistleblower who has come forward with information about a secret UAP program called "Immaculate Constellation," highlighting the Pentagon's delayed and evasive response to inquiries about the program. The podcast emphasizes the need for government transparency and disclosure regarding UAPs, arguing that anyone who opposes disclosure legislation is acting in bad faith. The speaker explores the potential consequences of full disclosure about UAPs, including the possibility of societal collapse, and argues that the government's fear of disclosure stems from the potential for a loss of control and the revelation of uncomfortable truths.

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00:00:00
Censorship, Free Speech, and the Deep State

This chapter explores the Twitter Files Brazil, revealing evidence of censorship targeting journalists and politicians critical of the government. It examines the dilemma facing Elon Musk regarding X's ban in Brazil, highlighting the tension between free speech and government control. The chapter also discusses the role of the global elite and the deep state in controlling information and suppressing populism.

00:00:10
The Rise of Alternative Media and the Medicalization of Society

This chapter discusses the CIA's infiltration of Twitter and the rise of alternative media as a response to growing censorship. It then shifts to the medicalization of society, arguing that the over-medicalization of everyday experiences pathologizes natural processes and undermines natural immunity.

01:08:24
Psychedelics, Trauma, and the Drug War

This chapter explores the potential benefits of psychedelics, particularly MDMA, in treating trauma, while acknowledging the risks and the need for responsible use. It delves into the historical and cultural context of drug prohibition in the United States, arguing that the demonization of certain substances has led to unintended consequences, including the opioid crisis.

02:13:21
UFOs, Disinformation, and the Need for Transparency

This chapter begins with a discussion about censorship and free speech, highlighting the importance of a free speech movement and the dangers of government control over information. It examines the Hunter Biden laptop story, revealing how a disinformation campaign was orchestrated by the FBI and CIA to discredit the story before it was released. The conversation then delves into the topic of UFOs, focusing on the Aspen Institute's role in promoting disinformation about the phenomenon.

02:40:51
The Immaculate Constellation Program and the Consequences of Disclosure

This chapter introduces a new whistleblower who has come forward with information about a secret UAP program called "Immaculate Constellation," highlighting the Pentagon's delayed and evasive response to inquiries about the program. The podcast emphasizes the need for government transparency and disclosure regarding UAPs, arguing that anyone who opposes disclosure legislation is acting in bad faith. The speaker explores the potential consequences of full disclosure about UAPs, including the possibility of societal collapse, and argues that the government's fear of disclosure stems from the potential for a loss of control and the revelation of uncomfortable truths.

Keywords

Twitter Files Brazil


A collection of internal documents released by Elon Musk revealing evidence of censorship on Twitter in Brazil, particularly targeting journalists and politicians critical of the government.

Deep State


A term used to describe a network of powerful individuals and institutions operating behind the scenes to influence government policy and maintain their own power.

Populism


A political approach that emphasizes the common person and their concerns, often opposing the perceived elite and establishment.

Censorship


The suppression of speech, public communication, or other information that may be considered objectionable.

Medicalization


The process of defining and treating aspects of human life as medical conditions, often leading to increased reliance on pharmaceuticals and interventions.

Psychedelics


A class of psychoactive drugs that alter perception, mood, and consciousness, including LSD, psilocybin, and MDMA.

Harm Reduction


A public health approach that aims to minimize the negative consequences of drug use, including overdose, addiction, and transmission of infectious diseases.

UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena)


A term used to describe objects or events in the sky that cannot be readily identified. It has replaced the term "UFO" to avoid connotations of extraterrestrial origin.

Whistleblower


An individual who exposes wrongdoing or illegal activities within an organization or government. They often face retaliation and legal challenges for their actions.

Q&A

  • What were the key findings of the Twitter Files Brazil?

    The Twitter Files Brazil revealed that a Supreme Court justice in Brazil was demanding the banning of journalists and politicians from all social media platforms, including X (formerly Twitter), for expressing dissenting views.

  • How did Elon Musk respond to the censorship in Brazil?

    Elon Musk responded by attacking the Supreme Court justice and refusing to comply with the government's demands, resulting in X remaining banned in Brazil.

  • What is the dilemma facing Elon Musk regarding X's ban in Brazil?

    Elon Musk must decide whether to uphold the ban, defending free speech, or comply with the government's demands, potentially sacrificing access for millions of Brazilians.

  • What is the global elite's role in censorship, according to the podcast?

    The podcast argues that the global elite is motivated by a desire to control information and suppress populism, particularly in areas like COVID, elections, and migration.

  • What is the deep state's fear of populism?

    The deep state fears that populism threatens their control over information and their ability to wage wars and manipulate populations.

  • What is the significance of the CIA's infiltration of Twitter?

    The CIA's infiltration of Twitter highlights the deep state's desire to control information and potentially suppress dissenting voices, raising concerns about the potential for totalitarianism.

  • How is the rise of alternative media impacting the deep state's control over information?

    The rise of alternative media platforms, such as Substack and podcasts, is making it harder for the deep state to control information and suppress dissenting voices.

  • What are the potential benefits and risks of psychedelics, particularly in treating trauma?

    Psychedelics, like MDMA, have shown promise in treating trauma, especially for soldiers returning from war. However, there are also risks associated with their use, including potential for psychosis and the need for careful dosage and setting.

  • What is the speaker's overall stance on the UAP phenomenon and the government's role in it?

    The speaker believes that the government is hiding information about UAPs and that there is a deliberate disinformation campaign underway to discredit the phenomenon. He argues that the government's actions are illegal and that Congress should hold hearings to investigate the issue. He also believes that the UAPs themselves might be intentionally avoiding detection or that they are simply beyond our current understanding.

Show Notes

Michael Shellenberger is an investigative journalist and founder of Public, a Substack publication, founder and president of Environmental Progress, a research organization that incubates ideas, leaders, and movements, and the CBR Chair of Politics, Censorship and Free Speech at the University of Austin. He is the best-selling author of multiple books, including “Apocalypse Never” and “San Fransicko," and is a Time Magazine "Hero of the Environment" and Green Book Award winner.


www.public.news

https://environmentalprogress.org/founder-president

https://x.com/shellenberger

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Comments (2)

Travis Tripp

this guy is so full of shit. he contradicts himself with every topic. Joe does a great job letting this guy hang himself

Oct 10th
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