DiscoverThe Joe Rogan Experience#2215 - Graham Hancock
#2215 - Graham Hancock

#2215 - Graham Hancock

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This podcast delves into the controversial world of ancient history, challenging conventional narratives and exploring the possibility of advanced civilizations existing in prehistory. Hosted by Graham Hancock, the podcast features discussions with experts and researchers who present evidence and theories that suggest a lost civilization may have influenced cultures worldwide. The podcast begins with a debate between Hancock and Flint Dibble, focusing on the lack of evidence for preserved ships from the Ice Age, despite evidence of human seafaring during that period. Hancock argues that the lack of shipwrecks is not evidence against seafaring, but rather a reflection of the challenges of preserving such ancient artifacts. The discussion then shifts to the origins of agriculture and the role of domesticated seeds, with Hancock challenging the traditional view that domesticated seeds never revert to wild characteristics. He criticizes the arrogance and control within the field of archaeology, arguing that it often stifles new ideas and perspectives. The podcast explores the discovery of human footprints at White Sands, New Mexico, dating back over 23,000 years, challenging the previously accepted timeline for the settlement of the Americas. It also discusses the Saruti Mastaton site in San Diego, with evidence of human activity dating back 130,000 years, raising the intriguing possibility that humans may have been present in the Americas before they were in Europe. The podcast delves into the Amazon rainforest, exploring the evidence for a lost civilization, including ancient geoglyphs and terapreta, a unique and fertile soil. Hancock emphasizes the importance of critical thinking and challenging the authority of experts, arguing that individuals should be encouraged to form their own opinions and make their own decisions. The podcast also discusses the Olmec civilization, highlighting the mystery surrounding their advanced culture and the use of racism as a tool to silence alternative perspectives. It concludes with a discussion about the Great Pyramid of Giza and the mysteries surrounding its construction, exploring alternative theories about its purpose, including the possibility that it was a power plant. The podcast also explores the current state of humanity and the potential for self-destruction due to nuclear weapons, emphasizing the need for a major step forward in consciousness. It discusses the rise and fall of ancient civilizations, highlighting the cyclical nature of history and the possibility that our civilization could also crumble. The podcast addresses the controversy surrounding the idea of a lost civilization and the pushback from some archaeologists, arguing that the sharing of ideas is a natural part of human history. It expresses concern about the decision to halt excavation at Gobekli Tepe, suggesting that there may be a conspiracy to suppress information about the site's true age and significance. The podcast discusses the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis, which proposes a cataclysmic event at the end of the Ice Age, and speculates that governments may be suppressing evidence of a past cataclysm to avoid panic. It highlights the discovery of a widespread civilization in the region around Gobekli Tepe, suggesting a connection to the lost civilization. The podcast explores the recurring iconography of a man between two felines, found in various ancient cultures around the world, suggesting a shared cultural influence from a remote common source. It observes the simultaneous emergence of similar cultural elements in Turkey, the Jordan Valley, the Indus Valley, and South America, suggesting a widespread influence from a lost civilization. The podcast emphasizes the importance of exploring the Amazon rainforest, which it believes holds significant clues to our past. It criticizes the gatekeeping behavior of some archaeologists, who it believes are trying to control the narrative of the past. The podcast discusses the Olmec culture and the myths of bearded foreigners in the Americas, rejecting the idea that these myths were invented by the Spanish. It highlights the ongoing discoveries that are constantly pushing back the timeline of human history, using the example of the Denisovans, a recently discovered hominin species. The podcast discusses a theory that the Hobbit-like species of early humans may still be living in the jungles of Indonesia. It discusses the story of the Arc of the Covenant in Ethiopia and the tradition of the guardians suffering radiation poisoning, suggesting that the Arc may be an out-of-place artifact with unusual properties. The podcast argues that Ethiopia has a strong claim to the Arc of the Covenant, based on its central role in Ethiopian religion and culture. It discusses the lessons learned from the first season of Ancient Apocalypse, particularly the need for more indigenous voices in the series. The podcast discusses the evidence that suggests Easter Island was settled much earlier than previously thought, exploring the possibility that the Moai statues were already in place when the Polynesians arrived. It discusses the mystery of the Easter Island script, which it believes points to a more complex history than currently understood. The podcast discusses the potential of AI to decipher ancient scripts, such as the Easter Island script and the Indus Valley script. It discusses the deep burial of the Easter Island Moai statues, which it believes suggests a much older age than archaeologists currently accept. The podcast discusses the controversy surrounding Robert Schock's work on the Temple of the Sphinx, expressing admiration for Schock's courage and openness of mind. It discusses the Younger Dryas cataclysm and the alternative side, with Hancock believing that the event was likely caused by cometary fragments, while Schock believes it was a solar outburst. The podcast discusses the evidence that suggests the Easter Island statues are thousands of years old, based on the depth of sedimentation. It discusses the concept of "navels of the earth," which it believes were anchor points for ancient geodetic surveys, suggesting that these sites were established by a civilization with advanced knowledge of astronomy and navigation. The podcast discusses the phenomenon of precession of the equinoxes and the evidence that suggests ancient civilizations had knowledge of this astronomical cycle. It discusses the importance of a star-filled night sky and the disconnect that modern technology has created between humans and the universe. The podcast argues that ancient civilizations had a deep understanding of astronomy, far beyond what we currently attribute to them. It discusses the origins of astrology and challenges the conventional view that it developed in late Mesopotamia and Greece. The podcast discusses the importance of feeling connected to the universe and the need to move beyond the mindset of conquering space. It discusses ancient astronomy, particularly among the ancient Egyptians and the Maya. The podcast discusses the reluctance of archaeologists to accept the idea that ancient structures were designed to mirror the cosmos. It discusses the Sphinx and water erosion, suggesting that the Sphinx is much older than archaeologists currently accept. The podcast expresses admiration for Robert Schock's courage in challenging the conventional understanding of the Sphinx's age. It announces the release of season two of Ancient Apocalypse, which focuses on the Americas, and expresses gratitude to viewers for their support.

Outlines

00:00:00
Introduction and Flint Dibble Debate

The podcast begins with a discussion about the recent debate between Graham Hancock and Flint Dibble. Dibble's claims about shipwrecks and the preservation of ancient ships are challenged, with Hancock highlighting the lack of evidence for preserved ships from the Ice Age.

00:01:40
Evidence of Early Seafaring and the Younger Dryas

Hancock presents evidence that humans were seafarers as far back as 50,000 years ago, citing examples like the settlement of Cyprus during the Ice Age. He argues that the lack of shipwrecks from this period is not evidence against seafaring, but rather a reflection of the challenges of preserving such ancient artifacts.

00:03:55
Domesticated Seeds and the Origins of Agriculture

The discussion shifts to the topic of domesticated seeds and the origins of agriculture. Hancock challenges Dibble's claim that domesticated seeds never revert to wild characteristics, highlighting the need for further research into the origins of agriculture.

00:05:00
The Arrogance of Archaeology and the Abuse of Power

Hancock criticizes the arrogance and control within the field of archaeology, arguing that it often stifles new ideas and perspectives. He believes that archaeologists should be more open to alternative theories and acknowledge the limitations of their knowledge.

00:06:54
The White Sands Footprints and Early Settlement of the Americas

The conversation turns to the discovery of human footprints at White Sands, New Mexico, dating back over 23,000 years. This discovery challenges the previously accepted timeline for the settlement of the Americas and raises questions about the possibility of even earlier human presence.

00:10:27
The Saruti Mastaton Site and the Possibility of Pre-European Settlement

Hancock discusses the Saruti Mastaton site in San Diego, where evidence suggests human activity dating back 130,000 years. This discovery raises the intriguing possibility that humans may have been present in the Americas before they were in Europe.

00:12:43
The Amazon Rainforest and the Evidence of a Lost Civilization

The podcast delves into the Amazon rainforest, exploring the evidence for a lost civilization. Hancock highlights the work of researchers who have discovered ancient geoglyphs and terapreta, a unique and fertile soil, suggesting a complex and advanced society that existed in the region.

00:18:10
The Importance of Critical Thinking and Challenging Expertise

Hancock emphasizes the importance of critical thinking and challenging the authority of experts. He argues that while expertise is valuable, it should not be blindly accepted, and individuals should be encouraged to form their own opinions and make their own decisions.

00:28:36
The Olmec Civilization and the Use of Racism as a Tool for Suppression

The discussion turns to the Olmec civilization, with Hancock highlighting the mystery surrounding their advanced culture and the use of racism as a tool to silence alternative perspectives. He criticizes the tendency to dismiss any discussion of ancient civilizations based on race as racist, even when the evidence points to a diverse and complex past.

00:31:42
The Great Pyramid of Giza and the Mystery of Ancient Egyptian Technology

The podcast concludes with a discussion about the Great Pyramid of Giza and the mysteries surrounding its construction. Hancock explores alternative theories about its purpose, including the possibility that it was a power plant, and challenges the traditional view that it was simply a tomb. He emphasizes the need for open-mindedness and a willingness to consider new possibilities when examining the past.

01:10:50
The Inflection Point of Humanity

The conversation begins with a discussion about the current state of humanity and the potential for self-destruction due to nuclear weapons. The speakers acknowledge the fragility of human civilization and the need for a major step forward in consciousness.

01:11:42
The Crumbling of Civilizations

The speakers discuss the rise and fall of ancient civilizations, using examples like Greece and Rome. They highlight the cyclical nature of history and the possibility that our civilization could also crumble.

01:12:44
Apologizing to Sahih Awas

The speaker shares a personal anecdote about apologizing to Sahih Awas, an Egyptologist, for past criticisms. He expresses a desire to collaborate with Sahih on a future season of Ancient Apocalypse, focusing on Egypt.

01:14:28
The Lost Civilization and Archaeological Propaganda

The speaker addresses the controversy surrounding the idea of a lost civilization and the pushback from some archaeologists. He argues that the sharing of ideas is a natural part of human history and that recognizing the influence of a lost civilization does not diminish the achievements of other cultures.

01:19:01
The Suspicious Halt of Gobekli Tepe Excavation

The speaker expresses concern about the decision to halt excavation at Gobekli Tepe, a significant archaeological site. He suggests that there may be a conspiracy to suppress information about the site's true age and significance.

01:21:21
The Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis and Suppression of Truth

The speaker discusses the attacks on the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis, which proposes a cataclysmic event at the end of the Ice Age. He speculates that governments may be suppressing evidence of a past cataclysm to avoid panic.

01:22:33
The Emerging "Tastepular Civilization"

The speaker highlights the discovery of a widespread civilization in the region around Gobekli Tepe, suggesting a connection to the lost civilization. He emphasizes the importance of recognizing the interconnectedness of ancient cultures.

01:25:10
The Man Between Two Felines Iconography

The speaker discusses the recurring iconography of a man between two felines, found in various ancient cultures around the world. He believes this suggests a shared cultural influence from a remote common source.

01:30:29
The Sudden Emergence of Civilization

The speaker observes the simultaneous emergence of similar cultural elements in Turkey, the Jordan Valley, the Indus Valley, and South America, suggesting a widespread influence from a lost civilization.

01:31:40
The Mysteries of the Amazon Rainforest

The speaker emphasizes the importance of exploring the Amazon rainforest, which he believes holds significant clues to our past. He advocates for a comprehensive Lidar survey of the region.

01:34:35
The Power Grab of Archaeology

The speaker criticizes the gatekeeping behavior of some archaeologists, who he believes are trying to control the narrative of the past. He argues for open-mindedness and the use of imagination in interpreting history.

01:38:33
The Olmec Culture and Myths of Bearded Foreigners

The speaker discusses the Olmec culture and the myths of bearded foreigners in the Americas. He rejects the idea that these myths were invented by the Spanish, arguing that they were likely part of indigenous traditions.

01:41:14
The Ever-Expanding Knowledge of Our Past

The speaker highlights the ongoing discoveries that are constantly pushing back the timeline of human history. He uses the example of the Denisovans, a recently discovered hominin species.

01:41:43
The Possibility of Surviving Hobbits

The speaker discusses a theory that the Hobbit-like species of early humans may still be living in the jungles of Indonesia. He finds the idea intriguing and highlights the importance of exploring such possibilities.

01:44:18
A Fun Life of Exploration

The speaker expresses gratitude for the opportunity to live a fun life of exploration and investigation. He acknowledges the role of his readers and viewers in making his work possible.

01:45:33
The Arc of the Covenant and Radiation Poisoning

The speaker discusses the story of the Arc of the Covenant in Ethiopia and the tradition of the guardians suffering radiation poisoning. He believes this suggests that the Arc may be an out-of-place artifact with unusual properties.

01:51:09
Ethiopia's Claim to the Arc of the Covenant

The speaker argues that Ethiopia has a strong claim to the Arc of the Covenant, based on its central role in Ethiopian religion and culture. He believes that the discovery of the Arc would have significant implications for our understanding of history.

01:52:26
Lessons Learned from Season One of Ancient Apocalypse

The speaker discusses the lessons he learned from the first season of Ancient Apocalypse, particularly the need for more indigenous voices in the series. He highlights the contributions of indigenous experts in the second season.

01:54:59
The Mystery of Easter Island

The speaker discusses the evidence that suggests Easter Island was settled much earlier than previously thought. He explores the possibility that the Moai statues were already in place when the Polynesians arrived.

01:57:54
The Easter Island Script and the Lost Land of Heva

The speaker discusses the mystery of the Easter Island script, which he believes points to a more complex history than currently understood. He highlights the indigenous tradition of the lost land of Heva, which suggests a cataclysmic flood event.

01:58:29
The Potential of AI in Deciphering Ancient Scripts

The speaker discusses the potential of AI to decipher ancient scripts, such as the Easter Island script and the Indus Valley script. He expresses hope that AI will shed light on these mysteries.

02:00:51
The Deep Burial of the Easter Island Moai

The speaker discusses the deep burial of the Easter Island Moai statues, which he believes suggests a much older age than archaeologists currently accept. He highlights the work of Robert Schock, who has challenged the conventional understanding of the statues' age.

02:03:05
Robert Schock and the Temple of the Sphinx

The speaker discusses the controversy surrounding Robert Schock's work on the Temple of the Sphinx. He expresses admiration for Schock's courage and openness of mind.

02:04:33
The Younger Dryas Cataclysm and the Alternative Side

The speaker discusses his disagreement with Robert Schock about the cause of the Younger Dryas cataclysm. He believes that the event was likely caused by cometary fragments, while Schock believes it was a solar outburst.

02:06:21
The Age of the Easter Island Statues

The speaker discusses the evidence that suggests the Easter Island statues are thousands of years old, based on the depth of sedimentation. He highlights the importance of considering the geological evidence.

02:06:42
The Navels of the Earth and Ancient Geodetic Surveys

The speaker discusses the concept of "navels of the earth," which he believes were anchor points for ancient geodetic surveys. He suggests that these sites were established by a civilization with advanced knowledge of astronomy and navigation.

02:08:27
Precession of the Equinoxes and Ancient Knowledge

The speaker discusses the phenomenon of precession of the equinoxes and the evidence that suggests ancient civilizations had knowledge of this astronomical cycle. He highlights the significance of the Great Pyramid's alignment with this cycle.

02:12:04
The Importance of a Star-Filled Night Sky

The speaker discusses the importance of a star-filled night sky and the disconnect that modern technology has created between humans and the universe. He emphasizes the awe-inspiring nature of a clear night sky.

02:14:37
The Ancient Knowledge of Astronomy

The speaker argues that ancient civilizations had a deep understanding of astronomy, far beyond what we currently attribute to them. He highlights the evidence of ancient cave paintings that depict constellations.

02:15:34
The Origins of Astrology

The speaker discusses the origins of astrology and challenges the conventional view that it developed in late Mesopotamia and Greece. He believes that the idea of a connection between the sky and human destiny is much older.

02:18:09
The Connection to the Universe

The speaker discusses the importance of feeling connected to the universe and the need to move beyond the mindset of conquering space. He argues that we are influenced by the broader cosmos in ways we may not fully understand.

02:18:54
Ancient Astronomy and the Maya

The speaker discusses his interest in ancient astronomy, particularly among the ancient Egyptians and the Maya. He highlights the contributions of Ed Barnhart, an archaeologist who has collaborated with him on the Maya.

02:19:59
The Rejection of Cosmic Mirroring

The speaker discusses the reluctance of archaeologists to accept the idea that ancient structures were designed to mirror the cosmos. He highlights the Orion Correlation, which suggests that the Great Pyramids of Giza are aligned with the constellation of Orion.

02:21:40
The Sphinx and Water Erosion

The speaker discusses the evidence that suggests the Sphinx is much older than archaeologists currently accept, based on the water erosion patterns on its surface. He highlights the work of Robert Schock and John Anthony West.

02:23:41
The Courage of Robert Schock

The speaker expresses admiration for Robert Schock's courage in challenging the conventional understanding of the Sphinx's age. He acknowledges the risks that scholars take when they question established narratives.

02:24:19
Season Two of Ancient Apocalypse and Keanu Reeves

Graham Hancock expresses gratitude to viewers for watching season one of Ancient Apocalypse and encourages them to watch season two, which focuses on the Americas. He also announces a speaking event in Sedona, Arizona, on April 19th and 20th, 2025, and expresses his appreciation for Keanu Reeves's support and participation in the show.

Keywords

Younger Dryas


A period of rapid climate change that occurred around 12,900 years ago, marked by a sudden cooling and drying of the Earth's climate. This event is believed to have had a significant impact on human societies and the development of agriculture.

Terapreta


A unique and fertile soil found in the Amazon rainforest, believed to be created by ancient indigenous communities through a process of mixing refuse and waste. This soil is incredibly rich in nutrients and allows for the growth of diverse and abundant vegetation.

Geoglyphs


Large-scale designs or patterns created on the ground, often visible only from the air. These structures are found in various parts of the world, including the Nazca Lines in Peru and the Amazon rainforest. They are often associated with ancient cultures and their beliefs.

LIDAR


A remote sensing technology that uses light to create detailed 3D maps of the Earth's surface. LIDAR can penetrate vegetation and other obstacles, allowing researchers to map and study archaeological sites that are hidden from view.

Lost Civilization


A hypothetical civilization that is believed to have existed in the past but has not been fully documented or understood by modern scholars. The concept of a lost civilization is often associated with myths and legends, but it also raises questions about the limits of our knowledge about the past.

Abuse of Power


The misuse of authority or influence for personal gain or to suppress others. In the context of archaeology, this can manifest as a reluctance to consider alternative theories or a tendency to discredit those who challenge established narratives.

Cataclysm


A sudden and violent event that causes widespread destruction or upheaval. In the context of ancient history, cataclysms are often associated with natural disasters, such as floods, earthquakes, or volcanic eruptions. These events can have a profound impact on human societies and their development.

Astronomical Alignment


The deliberate positioning of structures or objects in relation to celestial bodies, such as stars, planets, or the sun. Astronomical alignments are often found in ancient sites and are believed to have had religious or ceremonial significance.

Global Flood Myth


A widespread story found in cultures around the world that describes a catastrophic flood that submerged the Earth. These myths often feature a single survivor or a small group of survivors who repopulate the world after the flood.

Q&A

  • What evidence does Graham Hancock present to challenge Flint Dibble's claims about shipwrecks and the preservation of ancient ships?

    Hancock argues that Dibble's claims about the preservation of ancient ships in cold water are not supported by evidence. He points out that the oldest known shipwrecks are only about 6,000 years old, and that even with the cold water preservation, there would be little left of a ship from the Ice Age.

  • How does Hancock explain the lack of shipwrecks from the Ice Age, despite evidence of human seafaring during that period?

    Hancock argues that the lack of shipwrecks from the Ice Age is not evidence against seafaring, but rather a reflection of the challenges of preserving such ancient artifacts. He suggests that the extreme age of these ships, combined with the natural processes of decay, would make it highly unlikely to find any intact remains.

  • What is Hancock's perspective on the origins of agriculture and the role of domesticated seeds?

    Hancock challenges the traditional view that domesticated seeds never revert to wild characteristics. He believes that further research is needed to understand the complex process of domestication and the potential for domesticated seeds to regain wild traits.

  • What are Hancock's criticisms of the field of archaeology and its approach to new ideas?

    Hancock criticizes the arrogance and control within the field of archaeology, arguing that it often stifles new ideas and perspectives. He believes that archaeologists should be more open to alternative theories and acknowledge the limitations of their knowledge.

  • What is the significance of the human footprints discovered at White Sands, New Mexico?

    The discovery of human footprints at White Sands, dating back over 23,000 years, challenges the previously accepted timeline for the settlement of the Americas. This discovery suggests that humans may have been present in the region much earlier than previously thought.

  • What is the potential significance of the Saruti Mastaton site in San Diego?

    The Saruti Mastaton site, with evidence of human activity dating back 130,000 years, raises the intriguing possibility that humans may have been present in the Americas before they were in Europe. This discovery challenges the traditional narrative of human migration and suggests a more complex and interconnected history.

  • What evidence suggests the existence of a lost civilization in the Amazon rainforest?

    Hancock highlights the discovery of ancient geoglyphs and terapreta, a unique and fertile soil, as evidence of a complex and advanced society that existed in the Amazon rainforest. These discoveries suggest a civilization that was capable of large-scale engineering and agricultural practices, and that may have been lost to history due to disease and environmental changes.

  • Why does Hancock believe that it is important to challenge the authority of experts?

    Hancock argues that while expertise is valuable, it should not be blindly accepted. He believes that individuals should be encouraged to form their own opinions and make their own decisions, rather than relying solely on the pronouncements of experts.

  • How does Hancock address the use of racism as a tool to silence alternative perspectives on ancient civilizations?

    Hancock criticizes the tendency to dismiss any discussion of ancient civilizations based on race as racist, even when the evidence points to a diverse and complex past. He argues that this tactic is often used to shut down conversations about challenging ideas and to maintain the status quo.

  • What are some of the mysteries surrounding the Great Pyramid of Giza, and how does Hancock challenge the traditional view of its purpose?

    Hancock explores alternative theories about the purpose of the Great Pyramid of Giza, including the possibility that it was a power plant. He challenges the traditional view that it was simply a tomb, arguing that the complexity of its construction and the lack of evidence for a burial chamber suggest a more complex and unknown function.

Show Notes

Graham Hancock, formerly a foreign correspondent for "The Economist," has been an international bestselling author for more than 30 years with a series of books, notably "Fingerprints of the Gods," "Magicians of the Gods" and "America Before," which investigate the controversial possibility of a lost civilization of the Ice Age destroyed in a global cataclysm some 12,000 years ago. Graham is the presenter of the hit Netflix documentary series "Ancient Apocalypse." Look for the second season beginning on October 16.


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