Joe interviews Mike Rowe, a well-known TV personality and CEO of the mikeroweWORKS Foundation. Their conversation covers a wide range of topics, including Rowe's career experiences (from opera singer to QVC host to "Dirty Jobs"), the importance of skilled labor, and the human tendency to compensate for perceived risks. They also discuss the impact of Toxoplasma gondii, the unreliability of traditional media, and the value of authenticity in communication, using Rowe's career as a prime example. Finally, the conversation touches upon Rowe's custom-built truck, soon to be auctioned off for charity.

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