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In this part one of a two-part conversation, Valerie is joined by Maxine Hanks for a deeply personal and reflective conversation exploring their parallel journeys as Latter-day Saint female thought leaders navigating faith transitions, church discipline, and personal empowerment. 

This episodes is more a tender conversation between two friends than an interview where both women share of the depths of the commitment to honor their higher selves, their experiences of honoring God’s work for them to do over institutional approval, and how they both draw strength from the historical echoes of their pioneering foremothers.

The episode also dives into the complexities of holding space for both one's truth and the perspectives of those who may see them as adversaries. Pull up a chair and join Val and Maxine for the next couple of Monday episodes about letting go, leaning into one’s purpose, and choosing love over fear. 

Books Referenced in this episode:

"The Ghost of Eternal Polygamy" by Carol Lynn Pearson

"Women and Authority: Re-Emerging Mormon Feminism" by Maxine Hanks

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:17 Reflecting on Past Episodes

01:18 Listener's Insight and Emotional Connection

03:27 Maxine's Perspective on Resilience

04:03 Deep Dive into Personal Experiences

04:46 Facing Church Discipline

06:13 Spiritual Guidance and Feminist Work

12:19 Connecting with Pioneer Foremothers

23:07 Healing Transgenerational Trauma

29:29 Navigating Institutional Challenges

32:59 Understanding Shadow Work

33:32 The September 1993 Purge

34:13 Spiritual Guidance and Resilience

35:04 Personal Reflections on Excommunication

36:24 Comparing Experiences

41:34 Holding Space for Different Journeys

45:16 The Impact on Families

47:24 Honoring Individual Paths

59:32 Resources for Further Exploration

01:00:59 Conclusion and Next Steps

Additional Episodes Referenced: 

Ep. 179 - 182: Maxine Hanks Life Story

Ep. 222, 272: Maxine Hanks and Jody England Hansen discussing the recent garment updates

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