In this episode Rory joins us to give an insight into the music production of the project. In our conversation we are discussing some of the challenges as well as revealing details of the music through listening layer by layer and go on to talk about spatialisation of sound. There is also discussion around audiovisual relationships and how to make people 'feel as if they are there' through various elements and production techniques. We conclude by reflecting on catching vision, understanding a producer's role and how collaboration enriches projects.