Was this one of the most embarrassing Seattle Seahawks losses in recent history? We kick off the show by comparing it to one of the worst losses from Pete Carroll's first season as head coach as we discuss the broader implications of a lopsided defeat. Was this performance an indicator of deeper flaws? The Seahawks' struggles in the trenches continue, but we disagree on how to proceed. Should the team force a commitment to the run game or continue to stick with strategies that have brought success to this point? With the absence of DK Metcalf, it had an impact on the offense but it didn't impact the outcome.

We also get into the leadership dynamics within the team, after comments made by Richard Sherman and others about the perceived lack of leadership. The issue seems to be more about a lack of cohesive messaging rather than an absence of leaders. With the Los Angeles Rams game on the horizon, could we see rock bottom for the team or could this game serve as a turning point for the Seahawks this season.

In the second half of the show, we recap the worst weekend of the NFL season. Not only did the Seahawks lose big, every other team in the division picked up a victory. We talk about the meetup at the game and the results of last week's pickem league. Do better call outs go to a runner who survived disorientation in the woods for almost a month and to Anthony Richardson who survived shaking a tackler. Better at life honors go out to a former Seahawks player and to the Community Notes feature on social media that is helping to inform people about Skip Bayless' nonsense.

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