647: Flavor Town 11 - Book Edition
Digest
The hosts of "The Popcast" launch a new free podcast called "Shelf Respect," dedicated to book discussions and exploring literary cliches. They reflect on the passing of Robert Duvall and delve into listener submissions covering a wide range of topics. These include fanfiction analysis (like "Dramione" and "Jermaine Fanfic"), preferences in audiobook narration (single vs. full cast), diverse reading habits and anxieties, debates on grammar, the perceived superiority of reading, and the distinction between "smut" and pornography. The conversation also touches on broader societal concerns such as the surveillance state, data privacy, campaign finance crimes, and the evolving perception of conspiracy theories. The episode concludes with "red lights" for Pima County and Obama's comments on aliens, and "green lights" for the book series "A Ruin and Reign" and "The Stalker."
Outlines

Introduction of "The Popcast" and Launch of "Shelf Respect"
The hosts introduce themselves and their podcast, "The Popcast," and announce the launch of their new, free podcast, "Shelf Respect," which focuses on book discussions and cliches.

Honoring Robert Duvall and Expanding on "Shelf Respect"
The hosts pay tribute to the late actor Robert Duvall and further explain the purpose and content of their new book-focused podcast, "Shelf Respect," now publicly available.

Brainstorming Book Segment Names and Listener Fanfiction Submissions
The hosts brainstorm names for their book segment, discuss listener submissions including fanfiction like "Jermaine Fanfic" and "The Healer's Guide to Transfiguration," and explore concepts like "Dramione" and memory alteration.

Listener Discussions on Audiobook Narration and Reading Habits
Listener submissions spark conversations about audiobook narration preferences, including dislikes for male narrators and the impact of dual POV. They also discuss unique reading habits, such as reading the last chapter first to manage anxiety.

Debates on Grammar, Reading vs. Listening, and Media Value
The hosts engage with listener submissions on "wild takes" regarding grammar, the definition of reading versus listening to audiobooks, and the argument that reading is not inherently superior to other forms of entertainment.

Audiobook Production and the Nuances of "Smut" vs. Pornography
Discussions continue on audiobook narration, specifically criticizing full cast productions and comparing them to radio theater. The conversation then shifts to listener perspectives on audiobooks counting as reading and the effects of consuming "smut" and pornography, differentiating between the two.

Moderation in Media Consumption and Societal Concerns
The hosts emphasize the importance of moderation in media consumption, referencing listener submissions on spy thrillers and true crime. They transition to discussing the surveillance state, data privacy issues related to doorbell cameras, and campaign finance crimes.

"Red Lights": Pima County, Surveillance, and Conspiracy Theories
Jamie shares a "red light" for Pima County, Arizona, linked to a missing person case. The hosts discuss concerns about surveillance, data privacy, and the discomfort of acknowledging potentially accurate conspiracy theories.

"Red Lights" and "Green Lights": Pop Culture and Book Recommendations
The hosts discuss "red lights" including Obama's comments on aliens and a performance in "Wuthering Heights." They offer "green light" recommendations for the book series "A Ruin and Reign" and "The Stalker," concluding with a mention of Robert De Niro and an Amazon shopping reminder.
Keywords
Shelf Respect (Podcast)
A podcast co-hosted by Nox McCoy and Jamie Golden, focusing on book discussions, literary analysis, and related cultural commentary.
Audiobook Narration
The performance of an audiobook by a narrator, which can involve a single narrator or a full cast production with multiple actors, sound effects, and music.
Full Cast Narration
An audiobook production featuring multiple voice actors, sound effects, and music, creating a theatrical audio experience.
Fanfiction (Fanfic)
Fan-created stories based on existing fictional characters, settings, or universes, allowing fans to explore alternative storylines and relationships.
Dramione
A popular fanfiction pairing in the Harry Potter fandom, combining the characters Hermione Granger and Draco Malfoy.
Smut
Erotica or sexually explicit content, often found in romance novels and fanfiction, focusing on detailed descriptions of sexual encounters.
Pornography
Explicit visual depictions of sexual activity intended to cause sexual arousal, typically made for a male audience.
Surveillance State
A country where the government engages in widespread monitoring of its citizens' activities, often through technology like cameras and data collection.
Moderation
The practice of avoiding extremes and maintaining balance in behavior or consumption, particularly relevant to media consumption.
A Ruin and Reign
A fantasy romance series by J.D. Evans, featuring political intrigue, forbidden romance, and a unique Middle Eastern-inspired setting.
Q&A
What is "Shelf Respect" and why is it now available for free?
"Shelf Respect" is a new podcast launched by the hosts of "The Popcast." It was initially released behind a paywall but is now available for free in podcast apps. The show focuses on discussions about books and features segments like snake drafts of cliches.
What is "Dramione" and why is it discussed in the podcast?
"Dramione" refers to a popular fanfiction pairing of Hermione Granger and Draco Malfoy from the Harry Potter series. The hosts discuss it in the context of listener submissions about fanfiction, exploring the appeal and common tropes within this specific pairing.
What is the significance of "DNF" in the context of reading?
DNF stands for "Did Not Finish." It's a term used by readers to indicate they stopped reading a book before completing it. This is often discussed in relation to reading preferences, book quality, and the reader's personal experience.
What is the difference between "smut" and "pornography" as discussed in the podcast?
The hosts differentiate between smut and pornography by noting that smut is often written for a female audience and can be found within consensual relationships, focusing on female pleasure. Pornography is typically visual, made for a male audience, and can involve issues like trafficking and sexual violence.
Why do some people argue that audiobooks shouldn't count as "reading"?
Some argue that audiobooks don't count as reading because they involve listening rather than visually processing text. This perspective is sometimes linked to a desire for "purity" in the reading experience and can be seen as ableist by others who rely on audiobooks due to reading disabilities.
What are the concerns raised about doorbell cameras and data privacy?
The hosts discuss concerns that doorbell cameras, like Ring, may be constantly recording and uploading data, even without a paid subscription. This raises privacy issues and contributes to the broader discussion about the pervasive nature of the surveillance state.
What is the "red light" mentioned by Jamie regarding Pima County, Arizona?
Jamie's "red light" is a declaration that she will never visit Pima County, Arizona. This is linked to the ongoing and concerning case of Nancy Guthrie's abduction, which has been a significant news story and a source of worry for the hosts.
What was the significance of Obama's comments on aliens?
During a speed round interview, Obama casually stated that aliens are real, which was seen as a "red light" by the speakers due to its casual delivery and potential implications, especially given his past access to classified information.
What is the "A Ruin and Reign" series about?
This fantasy romance series by J.D. Evans follows protagonists from rival nations whose magic systems clash, leading to unlikely alliances. It features political intrigue, forbidden romance, and a Middle Eastern-inspired setting.
Why is "The Stalker" by Paula Boomer recommended?
"The Stalker" is recommended for readers seeking catharsis from a story about a despicable character. It delves into the mind of a low-key, unambitious psychopath addicted to crack cocaine in 1990s New York City.
Show Notes
In this episode, we’re opening the Flavor Town gates! In this eleventh installment of Flavor Town, we’re taking on our listeners’ spiciest book-themed takes. From controversial opinions about beloved genres to reading habits that should maybe stay private, there’s enough literary chaos to scorch your TBR list. Plus, we get Erin’s real-time reaction to some heartbreaking news.
Relevant links:
- Our full show notes are at knoxandjamie.com/647
- Rewind: Flavor Town episodes | Shop Bundle | Instagram Post
- In Memoriam: Robert Duvall | IMDb | Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry | Final Message | Erin’s Spreadsheet
- Mentions: Fanfic Episode | Dramione Spreadsheet | Dungeon Crawler Carl by Matt Dinniman | Sunday Night Lights | The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky | The Curious Notoriety of “Performative Reading” (via The New Yorker) | Faith Adjacent Romance Novels Episode
- Newest residents: @katiestrout, @meagks11, @wifeofataxidermist, @madison_hambino, @ashleystartin, @kristi.brokaw
- Congrats to our new Mayor: @cheyenneomans and Deputy Mayor: @simplygiann
- Red Light Mentions: Pima County, Arizona | Obama on Brian Tyler Cohen | “Wuthering Heights” (see also: 7-day free trial to hear more on TMYK | Alison Oliver)
Green Lights:
- Jamie: book - Reign & Ruin by J.D. Evans
- Knox: book - The Stalker by Paula Bomer
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