Sall Grover discusses her journey in creating Giggle, a women-only social networking app, and the subsequent legal battles she faced after being labeled a TERF by trans activists. She shares her experiences with the Australian Human Rights Commission, the public's response, and her motivations for standing up for women's rights. Grover emphasizes the importance of free speech and the need for a collective voice in the fight against gender ideology, expressing optimism for the future despite the challenges ahead. In this conversation, Sunil Sharma and Sall Grover delve into the complexities surrounding gender identity, particularly in sports, education, and legal frameworks. They discuss the implications of gender ideology on women's rights, the challenges faced by parents, and the societal pressures that influence public perception. Sall shares her personal experiences with activism and the legal battles she faces, emphasizing the need for safeguarding women's spaces and the importance of truth in the ongoing debate.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Personal Journey

03:31 The Birth of Giggle: A Women-Only App

06:16 Facing Backlash: The TERF Controversy

09:22 Legal Battles: Giggle v Tickle Case

12:26 Public Support and Media Dynamics

15:23 The Role of the Australian Human Rights Commission

18:24 Personal Motivation and Resilience

21:24 Public Reaction and the Silent Majority

24:07 The Impact of Gender Ideology on Women's Rights

27:21 The Courage to Speak Out

31:27 Speaking to the Unconvinced

32:53 The Role of Politicians in Social Change

35:03 The Collective Responsibility to Speak Up

36:29 The State of Medical Trials for Children

39:33 The Impact of Gender Ideology on Society

41:51 Australia's Legislative Landscape

43:38 Free Speech and Legal Battles

46:56 The Nature of Gender Identity

48:30 The Experience of Female Athletes

50:44 Understanding the Opposition

52:39 The Importance of Reality in Gender Discussions

56:31 Parenting and Gender Ideology

01:00:28 Education and Gender Ideology in Schools

01:03:32 The Intersection of Gender Ideology and Power Dynamics

01:06:26 Personal Experiences and Legal Battles

01:19:31 The Impact of Gender Ideology on Women's Rights

01:26:10 Future of Female-Only Spaces and Giggle

01:29:24 Truth vs. Ideology: A New Approach to Advocacy