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#706 – Leading Edge Analog with Joren Vaes

#706 – Leading Edge Analog with Joren Vaes

Update: 2025-10-18
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Welcome Joren Vaes, design engineer at SOFICS



  • Simulation is critical when designing analog devices based on a PDK from the fab

  • Parasitics are significant, especially with new nodes having upwards of 16 metal layers

  • Chris complained about a class where the professor made them draw planar structures with graph paper with colored pencils

  • Large fabs on leading edge nodes have 1800 page textbook of rules

  • Because the constraints get tighter, that book gets longer for each node

  • 2 nm mass production on finfet currently with TSMC

  • 22 was the last classic cmos

  • Finfet, looks like a devil

  • ‘gate all around’ / nanosheet

  • CFET (complementary field effect transistor) is next

  • Joren really gets Maxwells Equations…as you have to at super high speeds

  • SOFICS are making phy’s / IP blocks

  • Amplifiers that are DC to 50 GHz

  • Making a datasheet for the resulting IP block

  • Joren got his PhD working on millimeter wave applications

  • It’s all just physics

  • Using coils to impedance match between layers

  • Reflecting off of different materials at angles is Snells law (not lorentz equation) and that extends to different materials at different wavelengths

  • Cables are very lossy at 100 GHz…dBs per cm

  • Parasitics impact every part of the design process

  • Wireline community – name for the high speed interfaces, including research in the space

  • Most transistor threshhold voltages that Joren works with are … 750 mV!

  • Voltage dependent drc rules

  • Electromigration – holes in wires from electrons

  • ESD is a big part of the business, and a large source of parasitics

  • New product development for IP blocks

  • Working with customers and Foundry at the 2 nm node

  • Design companies need to be paying 100s of thousands to software providers

  • After, it goes to spice and schedmatic

  • Joren decides whether to jump in on layout

  • LVS – layout vs schematic

  • Parasitic extraction (spice netlist)

  • PDKs define how you can do the layout stage

  • Lower cost tools exist but more expensive tools have tooling that tells you when you’re violating DRC

  • 3 main vendors

    • Cadence

    • Synopsis

    • Siemens (Caliber)



  • Foundries soemtimes only support one tool

  • Doing test wafers  allows testing of structures. They often get MPW at a discount from the fab (since they’re often testing new processes as well)

  • How do they test with packaging options?

    • ‘low speed’ can be die bonded or pcb mounted

    • high speed does on wafer probing (with veeeery expensive probes)



  • Check out Sofics.com for more info on the company. They also have a blog with a great name.

  • Follow or connect with Joren on LinkedIn


 

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#706 – Leading Edge Analog with Joren Vaes

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