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#770: Elizabeth Gilbert — How to Set Strong Boundaries, Overcome Purpose Anxiety, and Find Your Deep Inner Voice

#770: Elizabeth Gilbert — How to Set Strong Boundaries, Overcome Purpose Anxiety, and Find Your Deep Inner Voice

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This podcast features a conversation between Tim Ferriss and Elizabeth Gilbert, a best-selling author known for her works like "Eat, Pray, Love" and "Big Magic." The episode delves into Gilbert's latest novel, "City of Girls," and her philosophy of "no cherished outcome," inspired by a Celtic poem. Gilbert explains how this approach helps her maintain healthy relationships by avoiding expectations and embracing the present moment. The conversation then explores the importance of self-compassion and taking responsibility for one's life without self-blame. Gilbert shares her personal experience with writing letters from unconditional love, a practice she began during a period of deep depression. She describes the transformative power of receiving unconditional love and acceptance, which helped her overcome her struggles. Gilbert and Ferriss discuss the concept of two-way prayer, a spiritual practice that involves both receiving and giving love. They also explore the concept of self-friendliness, emphasizing the importance of treating oneself with kindness and compassion. The conversation touches upon the need for boundaries to protect one's well-being and the importance of solitude and presence. Gilbert shares her decision to shave her head, a liberating experience that challenged societal beauty standards and allowed her to embrace her individuality. She reflects on the societal pressures placed on women and the importance of claiming one's own agency. The conversation explores the concept of a "relaxed woman" as a radical act of liberation, challenging the societal expectations placed on women to be strong, resilient, and always striving. Gilbert argues that relaxation is a revolutionary act that allows for greater effectiveness and well-being. Gilbert and Ferriss discuss how to choose projects and allocate time effectively, emphasizing the importance of following inspiration, completing projects, and distinguishing between genuine opportunities and tempting distractions. They also address purpose anxiety, the pressure to find a singular, unique purpose in life and achieve greatness. Gilbert argues that this anxiety is often rooted in societal expectations and can lead to dissatisfaction and a lack of presence. The conversation concludes with a discussion on death and mortality, with Gilbert sharing her perspective on death as a natural part of life and her lack of fear surrounding it. She emphasizes the importance of kindness, both to oneself and to others, as a way to navigate life's challenges.

Outlines

00:00:00
Introduction and Guest Introduction

Tim Ferriss introduces the podcast and his guest, Elizabeth Gilbert, a renowned author known for her bestsellers like "Big Magic" and "Eat, Pray, Love." He highlights her accomplishments, including being a finalist for prestigious literary awards.

00:00:29
Elizabeth Gilbert's Latest Novel and "No Cherished Outcome" Philosophy

Tim mentions Elizabeth's latest novel, "City of Girls," which became an instant New York Times bestseller. He describes it as a captivating and sensual story set in the theater world of 1940s New York City. Elizabeth shares her philosophy of "no cherished outcome," inspired by a Celtic poem, explaining how this approach helps her maintain healthy relationships by avoiding expectations and embracing the present moment.

00:00:38
Elizabeth Gilbert's Newsletter and Social Media

Tim provides information about Elizabeth's newsletter, "Letters from Love," which has over 120,000 subscribers. He also mentions her Instagram handle, @elizabeth_gilbert_writer.

00:00:53
Podcast Sponsors

Tim briefly introduces the podcast sponsors, emphasizing that he personally vets all products and services, ensuring they meet his standards.

00:01:16
ExpressVPN: Secure Your Online Data

Tim promotes ExpressVPN, a VPN service that encrypts online data, protecting it from hackers and unauthorized access. He highlights its ease of use and its ability to unblock content from around the world.

00:03:30
Athletic Greens: Nutritional Insurance

Tim discusses Athletic Greens, a nutritional supplement he has been using for over a decade. He emphasizes its all-in-one approach to supporting various aspects of health, including mental clarity, gut health, and energy.

00:06:43
Self-Compassion and Taking Responsibility

Tim and Elizabeth discuss the concept of taking responsibility for one's life without self-blame. Elizabeth emphasizes the importance of self-compassion, acknowledging the inherent difficulty of being human and navigating life's complexities.

00:12:32
The Letter from Unconditional Love

Elizabeth shares her personal experience with writing letters from unconditional love, a practice she began during a period of deep depression. She describes the transformative power of receiving unconditional love and acceptance, which helped her overcome her struggles.

00:19:41
Two-Way Prayer and Opening the Channel to Love

Elizabeth explains the concept of two-way prayer, a spiritual practice that involves both receiving and giving love. She provides practical tips for engaging in this practice, including reading sacred texts, asking a single question, and receiving an affectionate nickname from the divine.

00:24:49
Self-Friendliness and Boundaries

Tim and Elizabeth explore the concept of self-friendliness, emphasizing the importance of treating oneself with kindness and compassion. They discuss the Dalai Lama's teachings on self-love and the need for boundaries to protect one's well-being.

00:32:43
Counteracting Self-Antagonism and Setting Boundaries

Elizabeth shares her personal experiences with setting boundaries in relationships, highlighting the importance of prioritizing one's own well-being. She emphasizes that not everyone is entitled to be in one's life and that it's okay to distance oneself from those who are harmful or disruptive.

00:43:05
The Importance of Solitude and Presence

Elizabeth discusses her preference for spending holidays alone, emphasizing the importance of solitude and presence. She shares her love for writing and how it provides a sense of connection and joy.

00:52:15
The Liberation of Shaving Her Head

Elizabeth shares her decision to shave her head, a liberating experience that challenged societal beauty standards and allowed her to embrace her individuality. She reflects on the societal pressures placed on women and the importance of claiming one's own agency.

00:55:09
The Revolutionary Concept of a Relaxed Woman

Elizabeth explores the concept of a "relaxed woman" as a radical act of liberation. She challenges the societal expectations placed on women to be strong, resilient, and always striving, arguing that relaxation is a revolutionary act that allows for greater effectiveness and well-being.

00:59:39
Choosing Projects and Separating Opportunities from Temptations

Tim and Elizabeth discuss how to choose projects and allocate time effectively. Elizabeth emphasizes the importance of following inspiration, completing projects, and distinguishing between genuine opportunities and tempting distractions.

01:11:16
Purpose Anxiety and the Life of Presence

Elizabeth defines purpose anxiety as the pressure to find a singular, unique purpose in life and achieve greatness. She argues that this anxiety is often rooted in societal expectations and can lead to dissatisfaction and a lack of presence.

01:27:57
The Gift of Presence and the Importance of Listening

Elizabeth emphasizes the importance of presence, both for oneself and for the world. She shares a story about holding a stranger's ladder, highlighting the significance of small acts of kindness and the possibility that even seemingly insignificant moments can have a profound impact.

01:32:46
Death, Fear, and the Importance of Kindness

Tim and Elizabeth discuss death and mortality. Elizabeth shares her perspective on death as a natural part of life and her lack of fear surrounding it. She emphasizes the importance of kindness, both to oneself and to others, as a way to navigate life's challenges.

01:38:21
The Substack Newsletter: A Space for Connection and Self-Love

Elizabeth explains her decision to create a Substack newsletter, "Letters from Love," as a way to connect with her audience and share her teachings on self-love and self-acceptance. She describes the format of the newsletter and the diverse range of guests who have contributed.

01:41:56
Is the Universe Friendly?

Elizabeth concludes the conversation by posing the question, "Is the universe friendly?" She suggests that this question can be a guiding principle for navigating life's challenges and embracing kindness and self-love.

01:56:54
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Keywords

No Cherished Outcome


A philosophy of approaching life and relationships without expectations or desired outcomes, allowing for greater freedom and acceptance.

Two-Way Prayer


A spiritual practice that involves both receiving and giving love, fostering a deeper connection with the divine or a higher power.

Self-Friendliness


Treating oneself with kindness, compassion, and understanding, similar to how one would treat a friend.

Boundaries


Establishing limits and guidelines in relationships to protect one's well-being and prevent harmful or disruptive interactions.

Solitude


The state of being alone, often valued for its ability to foster introspection, creativity, and a sense of peace.

Relaxed Woman


A woman who embraces a state of relaxation and ease, challenging societal expectations of strength, resilience, and constant striving.

Purpose Anxiety


The pressure to find a singular, unique purpose in life and achieve greatness, often leading to dissatisfaction and a lack of presence.

Presence


Being fully engaged in the present moment, appreciating the beauty and significance of everyday experiences.

Letter from Unconditional Love


A practice of writing a letter to oneself from a source of unconditional love, offering acceptance, encouragement, and a sense of belonging.

Q&A

  • What is the "Celtic Poem of Approach" and how does it relate to the concept of "no cherished outcome"?

    The Celtic Poem of Approach is a poem that speaks to the importance of meeting new people and situations with an open heart and without expectations. The line "I have no cherished outcome" reflects this idea of letting go of desired outcomes and embracing the present moment.

  • How can we practice self-compassion and avoid self-blame when facing challenges?

    Self-compassion involves acknowledging the inherent difficulty of being human and recognizing that everyone makes mistakes. It's about treating oneself with kindness and understanding, rather than harsh judgment or criticism.

  • What are some practical tips for writing a letter from unconditional love?

    Start by finding a quiet space and reading something that opens your heart. Ask a single question, such as "Dear Love, what would you have me know today?" and then listen for the answer. The first line back to you should be an affectionate nickname, like "My love" or "My child."

  • How can we set boundaries in relationships to protect our well-being?

    Boundaries involve establishing limits and guidelines in relationships to prevent harmful or disruptive interactions. This might involve limiting contact with certain people, setting clear expectations, or saying "no" to requests that are not aligned with your values.

  • What is purpose anxiety and how can we overcome it?

    Purpose anxiety is the pressure to find a singular, unique purpose in life and achieve greatness. It can be overcome by shifting focus from the future to the present moment, embracing the beauty of everyday experiences, and letting go of the need to leave a lasting legacy.

  • How can we cultivate presence in our lives?

    Presence involves being fully engaged in the present moment, paying attention to our senses, thoughts, and feelings without judgment. It can be cultivated through practices like meditation, mindfulness, and simply taking time to appreciate the beauty of the world around us.

  • What is the significance of Elizabeth Gilbert's decision to shave her head?

    Shaving her head was a liberating experience for Elizabeth, challenging societal beauty standards and allowing her to embrace her individuality. It was a powerful act of self-acceptance and a rejection of the pressures placed on women to conform to unrealistic ideals.

  • What are the key ingredients for a relaxed woman?

    Elizabeth identifies three key ingredients for a relaxed woman: boundaries, priorities, and mysticism. Boundaries protect one's well-being, priorities help focus energy on what matters most, and mysticism provides a deeper perspective and a sense of peace.

  • How does Elizabeth choose projects and allocate her time effectively?

    Elizabeth follows her inspiration, completes projects, and distinguishes between genuine opportunities and tempting distractions. She also trusts her intuition and allows for a sense of flow in her creative process.

Show Notes

Elizabeth Gilbert is the #1 New York Times bestselling author of Big Magic and Eat, Pray, Love. Her latest novel, City of Girls, was named an instant New York Times bestseller. Go to ElizabethGilbert.Substack.com to subscribe to “Letters From Love with Elizabeth Gilbert,” her newsletter, which has more than 120,000 subscribers.

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Timestamps:

[00:00 ] Start

[00:07:14 ] No cherished outcomes.

[00:12:27 ] Self-compassionate ownership of responsibility.

[00:17:24 ] The daily practice of writing letters from love.

[00:23:54 ] Two-way prayer vs. one-way prayer.

[00:32:29 ] The male approach to this practice.

[00:35:59 ] How do you feel toward yourself vs. about yourself?

[00:38:25 ] Understanding self-hatred to foster self-friendliness.

[00:44:52 ] Setting boundaries and dealing with those who refuse to honor them.

[00:51:47 ] Why (and how) Elizabeth avoids big family holiday gatherings.

[00:53:47 ] Comfort in solitude.

[00:55:10 ] Much abuzz about Elizabeth's new 'do.

[00:59:24 ] Boundaries, priorities, and mysticism: a relaxed woman as a radical concept.

[01:05:34 ] What mysticism brings to Elizabeth's reality.

[01:08:58 ] A better question to ask than "What do I want?"

[01:11:04 ] Elizabeth's hard-ass approach to project commitment.

[01:18:12 ] Creativity guidance from Elizabeth's higher power.

[01:22:40 ] How The Morning Pages influenced Eat, Pray, Love.

[01:25:59 ] More productive questions to ask than "Why?"

[01:27:48 ] The pointlessness of purpose anxiety.

[01:32:31 ] Balancing presence with other aspects of a well-lived life.

[01:37:49 ] Comfort with mortality.

[01:41:53 ] What motivates Elizabeth's Letters from Love newsletter?

[01:43:01 ] What can potential readers expect from this newsletter?

[01:48:05 ] "Is the universe friendly?" — Frederic W. H. Myers

[01:51:01 ] Parting thoughts.

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#770: Elizabeth Gilbert — How to Set Strong Boundaries, Overcome Purpose Anxiety, and Find Your Deep Inner Voice

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