In this episode of the GrowLeader Podcast, Pastor Chris Hodges sits down with two dynamic church builders—Pastor Chad Veach of ZOE Church in Los Angeles and Pastor Rich Wilkerson Jr. of VOUS Church in Miami. Together, they pull back the curtain on the realities of ministry, sharing practical leadership principles, systems that drive growth, and the heart behind building churches in major cities.

From vision and stewardship to prayer, empowerment, and developing the next generation of leaders, this conversation is full of wisdom, laughter, and behind-the-scenes insight. Whether you’re a pastor, leader, or simply someone who wants to grow, you’ll leave encouraged and equipped with practical takeaways to strengthen your leadership and your church.

Stay tuned for part two of this powerful conversation, and in the meantime, check out Pastor Chad’s Leadership Lean In podcast and Pastor Rich’s Mature Me podcast for more leadership inspiration.

Episode Resources:

• Rich Wilkerson’s Mature Me Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@richwilkersonjr
• Chad Veach’s - Leadership Lean In Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@leadershipleanin

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