Trevor Perry and I have something rare in common: we were both raised in one of the most controlling Christian sects you’ve never heard of, the Two by Twos. Trevor got kicked out at 19 for keeping the wrong company. I walked out on my own terms years later. Either way, we both know what it’s like to have your identity dictated by dogma.

In this episode, we get honest about what it means to grow up in a system that fears questions, punishes doubt, and demands obedience. We talk about the lasting imprint of that kind of control, how it screws with your sense of self, and how the internet—and some good old-fashioned courage—has helped a lot of folks break free.

Trevor’s now a non-theist, a skeptic, and the founder of the School of Dangerous Ideas—a place where he helps teams and leaders inject courage, play, and perspective back into their work. We talk about why dangerous ideas matter, not just in religion, but in business, leadership, and life. We also dig into family secrets, the power of fellowship, and the upside of questioning everything.

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