The result of Donald Trump's heavily hyped negotiating session with Vladimir Putin yesterday is no to an unconditional ceasefire, and Russia immediately launched air attacks overnight and so did Ukraine. Moscow however did agree to exchange more prisoners of war with Kyiv, 300 in all today, and the US says more talks are planned. At the Pentagon, Celeste Wallander oversaw US military assistance to Ukraine during the Biden administration. In her latest Foreign Affairs article, she says that with uncertainty hanging over American aid to Kyiv, Europe and Ukraine have more leverage than they think.  

Also on today's show: Greg Swenson, Chairman, Republicans Overseas UK; author John Green ("Everything is Tuberculosis") 

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