In This Episode:  

• We talked about the Hillsong documentary (Hillsong Exposed), which explained the manipulations of the church, and how the trauma of being in a manipulated church can impact a persons life.
• We talk with Drew Barker who is currently serving in a church in Garner, North Carolina and spent his entire life in ministry in one way or another. Now he has over a decade of ministry experience, stretching from campus pastor to lead pastor to worship minister, guest, experience all across the area. 
• "Leadership is someone that's willing to empathize with you and serve you and is willing to help you discover something new on your own."
• "We've got to stop teaching that either you're a good leader or a bad leader, or that a leader is a title or where you're positioned in the organization."
• We talk about how leadership is something that can be learned, it is a skill not a gifting.
• We discuss how do we get to the lack of accountability?
• We go into how we are taught that confidence equates arrogance and we are taught these things way early on. And so instead of looking as a confidence, as a strength, as a culture, we're told that we can't be bragging. We can't be proud of our accomplishments. We can't be celebrating because we might have somebody else.
• The only thing that tips over into arrogance and a lack of humility is the lack of gratitude.
• We explain how we don't talk about strengths early enough with young people.
• Accountability is part of the skillset of leadership. 
• When you hear or bear witness to what gives you one? How have you reacted? I'm assuming that you have walked the walk and are like speaking up and then how do you have the courage to hold people accountable and make it not so secret anymore?
• We talk a lot about the doing what's best for the organization. And what unfortunately happens is you shield the person from the consequences, so nobody who was offended gets to heal. The person who did the offense doesn't get to heal.
• The goal of us learning from these leaders is this is what was done wrong. Why is this wrong now? How can we learn from this and get better so that we don't do that.

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