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And Disagreeing With Canadians 🇨🇦 | 89

Update: 2020-03-19


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In this edition I ask Brent to represent the entire country of Canada and its diverse population to talk about how the people in the country disagree. The conversation was civil (what would you expect from a Canadian) and may point the way on how to approach disagreements in other spaces.

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hello and welcome to parking thought the
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curiosity meet gratitude my name is
Jacob and I’m glad you’re here today
joining us is our good friend Brent from
Canada is that right
it is yeah north of Toronto so somewhere
up north and most people think of
Canadians as being good-natured always
kind they say thank you they speak with
an accent they say at the end of their
sentences and a is one of those
interesting things right because it
sounds like a letter but it’s spelled
like a word and so we have a little bit
of fun with Canadians my wife happens to
be Canadian and one of the things I
noticed is that we don’t always see eye
eye and so Brent wanted to come on the
show and talk about where we disagree
because we’ve been pretty public about
disagreeing on things like Twitter and
in our telegram chat that we have on the
side and so Brent if you wouldn’t mind
for us please here tell us which
disagreement we should pick first well
I’m curious in two aspects I’m curious
about a disagreement topic that came up
recently for unite and I’m interested
most in the idea of disagreeing
productively oh okay so this goes into
some of my when we put on my conflict
management hat right because I have one
of those not a real hat ladies and
gentlemen those are not for sale however
if you’d like me to create one feel free
to reach out to me at Jacob at parking
calm we’ll go ahead and produce those
for you so you can buy those in our swag
store not that we don’t have yet let me
say fun to say right so disagreeing can
be I view disagreements as really
healthy because in them you explore
another perspective how do we disagree
right so that’s the way I over you
disagreement Brent how do you view
disagreements when you find them are you
just immediately passive by nature or do
you you know what what’s your next step
once you recognize you disagree with
yeah I would say by nature I am fairly
passive although I’ve learned recently
and and so that tends to make me or at
least I’ve turned it into being a good
listener that’s my kind of a way of
making that into a benefit but I have
been pondering this topic lots in the
last many years and I’ve noticed that
disagreements like you are really
helpful if you approach them in the
right context so so some people aren’t
quite ready to approach them as
productive and so then it doesn’t really
go anywhere but if I see you and I
didn’t even think of you know we didn’t
really set this up but I had the feeling
when I recommended this topic that you
and I would approach it in the same and
so we have I believe to that we can
probably introduce the topic that we
disagree on which was new to me but I
wanted to explore with you okay there’s
there’s several we disagree on there’s
only a few have commented on well no but
but you pick your battles right like
what is what do I win you know if what
what is winning in our disagreement
right like is winning getting you swayed
to my way of seeing things like did I
really win anything
how do your feelings and you our
perception of me change if I persuaded
you to see things the way I did you know
I would rut rather leave a conversation
where we respectfully disagree and
commit to thinking about the other
person’s perspective that to me seems
the healthiest way to walk away from a
conversation even if it gets heated
right then than anything else because
the sheer fact that you’re thinking
about it later on means that you’re
exploring it to see it from the other
side and that’s when you change you
don’t necessarily change in the moment
you change when you’re giving yourself
time to reflect and ponder and think on
so I don’t want to win and if if this
conversation if this episode turns into
an argument I don’t want to win
right I would rather just maybe walk
away there’s something about right mm-hm
but there was a day when younger Jacob
used to think that that’s what winning
meant I hope I don’t do that again
alright so what’s our topic that we
disagree on so the topic I know of is
climate change yes so let’s let’s start
off with the I am NOT against the
science that says that the climate is
changing like that is not my position at
all I am I am one of those like hey
there’s enough data out there at this
point I don’t know how to read it right
so I’ll trust the people that do and it
says the climate is changing so the
climate is changing now where I think we
disagree is what do we do about it and
what does it mean to society so what do
you think we should do about it
well that could be a whole one hour
discussion there but I’ll try to stick
to the Coles Notes version I think we
should do what we can to try to make a
difference you know they’re saying that
there’s some kind of soon-to-be
emergency or we’re already in it and so
we may have the ability to make a
difference the other way and so I
believe that we should try okay and and
so for me when we look and talk about
making a difference I think that’s where
we kind of slice and probably disagree I
look at making the difference as a
combination of smaller incremental steps
not necessarily a top-down driven plan
in fact I’m really scared and where I
really have an issue with the climate
solutions is the ones that come from the
top down because I think that people
have innovated their way from the bottom
up out of quite a few different things
in life and I think that this is another
one of those cases carbon storage
through planting trees people starting
companies to do more solar you know
people you know being able to get
nuclear up and run
right now nuclear regulation and
government in blah blah but you know
like there’s I I view it as all of those
small steps contributing to you know the
the goal of reducing climate carpooling
I mean holy cow
you know when the President Obama got in
office right ways and some of these
other ride-sharing and car pooling apps
were kind of in their infancy compared
to where they’re right now and now
they’re so mature and really able to
help people share rides to go back and
forth you know that that’s got to be
making a difference you know let those
companies thrive if you know to be able
to kind of reduce our resource load or
the load on our resources that we have
you know and so to me I think letting
that move forward is really healthy but
but where where do you see that are we
aligned there generally or or yeah yeah
I think we’ve got ourselves a Venn
diagram where there’s some some overlap
and maybe some not overlap I I wonder if
that kind of change would be enough so
where I come from is yeah I’m a huge fan
of sort of grassroots changes but I dot
convinced that that would be enough soon
enough if some of what our scientists
are suggesting is true so so I wonder I
I learned this from an environmentalist
who gave a talk I went to at Queen’s the
University in Kingston a little while
back and he suggested that as an
environmentalist he was trying to do the
grassroots stuff but had actually found
far more success in working with for
instance big mining oil and gas
companies to make change from within
those big businesses which is a strange
place to come from because it’s like
well those are the people perhaps that
might be the least likely to want to
change but he experienced that actually
those are people too who care and
if you’re approaching it with the right
incentives and also the right attitude
then you can actually make a big
difference in some of those like
top-down approaches so all right think
but so so top-down government versus
top-down you no institution right eye
view is different you know top-down
government is where the uh no stay away
but top-down institution I think is fine
especially if you’re talking about a
mining company so for example most
people in North America don’t realize
but there are only two major suppliers
of phosphate in for the United States
right so phosphate is used as a
fertilizer and and even if you go
organic or because you can actually have
organic food in the States that’s done
using hydroponics and the fertilizer for
those hydroponics can actually be from
phosphate from from mining and other
stuff like that it’s kind of interesting
because it depends on how you dissolve
the fertilizer in the water and stuff
like that and still be organic it’s it’s
weird there’s only really two sources of
phosphate in the world that are totally
popular one of them is here in Idaho and
the other one is in Madagascar now the
the mine in Madagascar when what they do
to dispose of their waste is just simply
dump it in the ocean
hi-de-ho doesn’t have that option right
it has a watershed that’s right nearby
that is sensitive and impacted by any
sort of waste and spillage that occurs
in that space and so it becomes a real
you know it it’s one of those things
like when you get to the point where you
can educate consumers about where their
supplies come from they can make more
educated choices along the supply lines
to decide what they want to use and and
what they want to support but that story
is so small and buried you know in in
different press releases and articles
that you wouldn’t necessarily know that
hey you know if your phosphate is
getting shipped from Madagascar and
coming overseas and it’s cheaper it’s
probably also not really good for the
environment right but it’s you know so
sometimes you can ask people to eat the
cost you
the other way if there is a cost
difference to be able to make what they
might consider a moral choice you know
with their dollars as opposed to being
told what to do and I think they’re
saving hundreds of thousands of these
little things that people can get smart
about and know and be able to respond
and I think it will make a difference
especially like your friend said inside
of the companies they want to change too
they want to be good stewards but they
need people to understand their
perspective so when you have like the
National Resources Defense Council the
NRDC in the United States suing people
every time there’s a mistake made as
opposed to working with the company
collaboratively to produce those options
right if you sue a company out of
existence the next guy’s probably gonna
make the same mistake too mmm you know
versus if you work with that company to
help them be responsive then you have a
chance of making a difference short and
long term so it sounds to me like we
just don’t disagree we just would work
we it’s like we would choose to work the
problems from a different size right
which is a helpful thing right because I
really am proud of working for a company
that does take their environmental
stewardship seriously and that doesn’t
mean they’re perfect you know they don’t
have a track record of being perfect but
they do take the stewardship seriously
because they’ve been in this game for
plus years and they plan on being in it
for another years and they can’t do
that unless they are good stewards of
the environment
and you know also as they work towards
the mission to feed the world you know
so yeah and kind of got to do it so
what’s our lesson for our audience then
out of this show today well I believe
part of the lesson at least should be
that simply the perspectives are not
necessarily binary so it’s not guys side
that side it could be that different
perspectives are trying to achieve the
same conclusion or the same outcome
just taking different approaches and so
just because someone’s coming at
something a little differently than you
doesn’t necessarily mean that they
should be an adversary or or don’t agree
at all with what your perspectives are
okay and I think that’s good I also
think that sometimes when you see some
behavior that doesn’t fit your norm
doesn’t mean it’s without some thought
so for example I stopped recycling right
so if you were looking at me putting my
trash away right you would notice that I
stopped recycling for a few months well
why did I do that because the supply
chain had shifted they were throwing it
in a landfill anyway because China was
no longer buying you know the the
plastic products right yeah and so well
right it is a real problem now honestly
the landfill management is absolutely
amazing oh my goodness like like it is
so cool this is not like your s you
know dump yard right like this is a
landfill management is a science where
they can actually take the elements as
they’re decomposing and capture that
methane and be able to reuse that to
create power plants you know not big
ones but you know they’re able to reuse
all of that stuff and they do it in a
way where they cover the soil up over
top you know in a way that can actually
be used as local parks so Idaho Falls
has a park that used to be a landfill
you know and it’s not toxic because of
the way they designed it and the the
measures they have in place you know and
things like that you know now if you
were to go digging feet down that
would be stupid
so don’t do that you know but but in
general like it was like okay well I
throw this in the landfill that you know
it will create the chemicals needed to
help you know like a power plant down
the line you know so it was like yeah
you know not a big deal until the supply
chain figured itself out I didn’t want
to have somebody physically have to sort
because people don’t realize that when
you throw away your recycling if it’s a
single-use bin
somebody has to physically sort all
those components and so it was like well
why am I asking that person is sort
something that’s just going to go in the
anyway so I didn’t want to do that and
so I didn’t recycle for a few months but
if you’d son seen me you’d be like hello
you anti-environmental environmentalist
you know but it’s like I’m just waiting
for the supply chain to change and then
we’ll go start this thing again and
recycle so yeah how fascinating I think
maybe another takeaway there is don’t
just assume what someone’s perspective
is sit down and give them a minute and
and talk about it and you can gain a lot
better understanding I like that one too
all right well let’s let’s wrap this one
up this is the part of the show where I
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this is Brent’s turn to do this right is
he’s gonna close us out here with our
closing challenge are you ready for it
I’ve cued you up pretty good
go Clem all set so in a world where you
can choose to be anything why not choose
to be grateful
posted something I’ve got to get the dog
to shut up he’s eating his bone just a
minute ladies and gentlemen right I
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