
BOAD: Examining Moxley's Words
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Bully Ray breaks down and gives his thoughts on the words Jon Moxley said in his interview with Renee Paquette. Plus! He reacts to the latest chapters in the feuds between Ricochet-Swerve Strickland and Mariah May-Toni Storm.
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Yeah, what's going on, Busted Open Nation, and thanks for tuning in to another edition of The Busted Open.
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After Dark Podcasts, it's Wednesday night, I'm Uncle Bully, Let's Rock, AEW, Dynamite.
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Talking about Tony Storm, talking about Mariah May, talking about the Death Riders, John Moxley, and Ricochet and his pair of scissors.
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This is The Busted Open After Dark Podcasts.
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There was an aspect of Moxley's verbiage tonight that I liked, that Renee asked him about the championship.
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She says, "We haven't seen that championship, and you're the champion.
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Where the hell is the championship?
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What'd you do with the championship?"
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What gives?
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And Mox is basically like, "I don't need the championship.
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I'm the championship."
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The championship is within me, and I really liked that.
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I thought that was really good.
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You know what I reminded me of?
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It reminded me of Mr.
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Miyagi in the original Karate Kid when he's telling Daniels on Karate is not about, you know, your hands.
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It's not about the physical contact.
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He is about what's in your mind and what's in your heart.
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It's what it means to you.
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And Moxley was telling us that that championship does mean a lot to him in his heart and his soul and his mind, but he doesn't have to carry it around wherever he goes.
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And that also resonated with me because I was having a conversation with an acquaintance, and they said to me, "Wow, your house must be full of memorabilia."
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And I said, "If you walked into my house, you wouldn't even know that I was a pro wrestler."
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And they're like, "Are you serious?"
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I'm like, "I don't have one piece of memorabilia up."
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Now you guys know at my other studio, at my other home, I do have that background with all the funcos and the little fun stuff that's just for the background of the show.
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So yes, I do have a corner of my office that has that stuff.
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But it's very minimal.
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Most of it is funcos stuff, rock and roll stuff, a couple little wrestling things here and there.
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But nothing like, you know, some of these guys and gals with their belts and the cases and the this and the then, the pictures on the walls and nope.
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That's all in my heart.
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That's all in my soul.
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That's all in my mind.
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I know what I did.
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I don't need to throw it up on my wall to remind me of it.
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And that's what I got from Moxley tonight.
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I liked that aspect of it.
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None of the other Death Riders shit makes sense.
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None of it.
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And this gets me to my second part.
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And I still, still, still.
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And we have been putting this out there for a month now, whether it's on after dark or on busted open.
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I have still not heard from one AEW fan that can make sense of the Death Riders to me.
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Because Moxley is saying that they're there to save AEW, rescue AEW.
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And Susumu, this is where I'm going to tag you in.
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I want you to talk to me about some of the quotes from Moxley's interview with the very last one about where he basically tells the fans the same thing the rock told the WWE universe about just shutting up and enjoying the ride.
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So Susumu, tell me some of the highlights from Moxley's interview.
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There's something for me like this is what Mox said, like everyone has questions they are not prepared for the answers.
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We are one mistake away.
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One, one bad decision away from sending this business back 20 years now.
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Stop.
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This is almost like a start stop.
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Moxley is saying that AEW is one mistake away from setting the business back 20 years.
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Now wait a minute.
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Am I supposed to assume that's in character?
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Because why would your character say that?
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Are you saying, is your character saying that AEW needs to be saved because if it makes another mistake, you guys are doomed?
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Okay, I guess that kind of fits the whole mantra of the Death Riders.
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All right, I'll give you that.
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Keep going, Susumu.
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All right.
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He continues by saying, who's going to take responsibility for that?
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I bear all the consequences around here.
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I take all the bullets around here.
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I will bear the responsibility for everything.
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My generation, Claudio's generation, Pox generation, our generation all across the world and professional wrestling.
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Stop.
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All right.
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You want to take the heat.
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You want to take the blame.
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You want to take the responsibility.
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Then the ratings are down because of you and the houses are down because of you.
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Then you take responsibility Mox because the straps around your waist over your shoulder or in your knapsack.
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So everything is on you now.
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Keep going.
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We inherited a nuclear wasteland.
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We built it up year after year after year into what the business you see today.
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We are one mistake away from going back to ground zero.
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Who's going to take responsibility for that?
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Who's going to point fingers at who on that day?
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I'll take responsibility for that.
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Get to the part.
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We just went over that.
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Get to the part where he says, you know, about shut up and enjoy the ride.
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That was at the tail end of the question when Renee basically asked like, what's the end game?
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What's the end game for the four death riders?
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So he basically says to shut up and enjoy the ride that they're taking you on.
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Now this is exactly what the rock said, shut up and enjoy the ride.
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So are we just as supposed to sit back and not care if we don't care about the death riders or if the death riders don't make sense?
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Is it to the point where the blame is on us as a fan that we cannot, we don't get this at all?
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I've been doing this for a long time.
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A lot longer than John Moxley, and I'll be damned if a fucking CZW guy will ever be smarter than an ECW guy, and that's a shot.
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Somebody explained to me what's going on here.
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I like Moxley as a performer.
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I have sang his praises plenty of times, but this thing that he's got going on with this crew, these co-stars, because this is the John Moxley show,
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co-starring, Marina Sheffier, Claudio Casignoli, Wheeler Yuda and Pock.
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Nobody gets it.
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Even the most die hard of die hard AEW fans.
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So it's this storyline that's causing you to be in this spot, but I'm not supposed to say anything, fans are not supposed to say anything,
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listen, I admit that certain fans can be a little harsh with their takes, but week after week after week, if it doesn't make sense, and it doesn't make sense,
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and it doesn't make sense, what are we supposed to do?
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I want somebody to make sense of the deathwriters, and AEW fans who are extremely educated,
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very smart.
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I mean, they're on social media all day long telling me how wrong I am about my takes.
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Please somebody call in this show and tell me what the deathwriters are.
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So soon, I saw you put your hand up again, did you have something else?
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I did wanted to ask you because I think what you asked me the question, whether you felt this was him speaking it or if he was in character or if he was in character when he was, when we were like,
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pre-show, and for me, it's like, it just kind of feels like it was in character, but I also feel like, do you feel like it's more that the messaging is just very inconsistent?
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Nothing makes sense.
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Okay, Shasumo, okay, big brain who's on the Sunday show and you're the judge blah, blah, blah, you tell me what the deathwriters are.
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That's what I'm trying to figure out because you're a massive AEW fan and you watch and you're invested and you're involved and you can't even tell me.
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We've been asking, I'm done with this deathwriters stuff.
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I'm done with my opinion on Moxley.
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I'm done with the deathwriters stuff.
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I'm leaving it alone for the rest of the night.
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All I know is, if you tell me to shut up and enjoy the ride, I need the ride to make sense just once.
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John Moxley, you are not a heel at all.
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You are the face of AEW.
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You are one of the faces of AEW.
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I can make an argument for Kenny being the other face of AEW.
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You don't want to love you, John Moxley, stop doing what you want to do.
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Do what is best for the company.
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Get rid of this, stick up for the company.
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You need a monster heel to go after.
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And that's the gospel or have somebody else be the head of the deathwriters and you don't agree with him and you come out and you become the savior.
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Have a higher power above you, something, nobody wants to boo you.
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You know what people want to do, John Moxley?
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They want to treat you like Atsushi Onita and they want to treat you like Terry Funk.
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When I pulled you on the side in Sacramento and I told you in 2016 that you were a cross between Onita and Funk, it was the highest compliment I could possibly pay you.
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Be that guy.
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That's the guy we want to love.
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Say wild thing, get that place on the tree.
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You've taken the fun away from the fans because you want to be the bad guy.
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Let me tell you something brother, you ain't the bad guy.
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You're the good guy.
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You know how I know?
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Because I'm the fucking bad guy.
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Coming up next we talk about Ricochet and his scissors and Mariah May and Tony Storm.
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I saw something that happened tonight in the Ricochet and AR FOX match, which mirrored something I saw on TNA,
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and I was just like, wow, I wonder how fans feel about this.
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Do they care, is it too much, maybe I'm being a little too critical, so let me tell you what it was.
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A couple of weeks ago, I'm watching an impact, and there was a backstage with Rose Marie and Raven right before the match at the pay-per-view,
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setting up for the Raven, the Funhouse Rules match, and Raven comes in, and Rose Marie grabs Raven and turns him around,
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and she puts a knife up against his neck, and I was like, ooh, a knife up against the neck, that seems a little harsh.
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Now let's consider the source here, people.
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This is Uncle Bully telling you he thought something was harsh.
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The King of saying harsh things, doing harsh things, treating women harshly, yada yada.
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But the knife to the throat, I was like, I don't know, but I didn't say a word on busted open.
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I kind of left it alone.
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Now tonight at the end of Ricochet and AR FOX, Ricochet is going to beat down AR some more, and here comes Swerve to make the save.
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Here comes Swerve.
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He pulls Ricochet out, they start going at it a little bit, Swerve throws Ricochet back in the ring, Swerve's going to go to the top rope and drop the hammer, it drops something down on Ricochet,
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and Ricochet goes to the scissors.
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He actually had the scissors in his hand before Swerve came out.
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That's what Ricochet was going to do.
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He was going to use the scissors on AR FOX.
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So Swerve's about to jump off.
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Ricochet grabs FOX, puts him in a rear naked choke where they're both on the mat, and then Ricochet takes the scissors and holds them to FOX his neck,
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a la, the knife to the neck.
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And we even hear commentary like, oh my god, he's putting the scissors to the neck, and I was like, once again, I found myself like, wow, it kind of struck me.
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It feels like a little too much.
00:17:15
Like the syringe in the mouth is just over the top and just nuts, but you can't just walk around the house and find a syringe.
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Actually, to be quite honest, you can walk around my house and find a syringe, I'm all gasped up and ready to go.
00:17:35
Think I'm thinking some bad stuff though.
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Anyway, you can't just find a syringe in the house, but you can find a pair of scissors in just about every home in America.
00:17:49
So I know back in the day and the WWE, the whole don't try this at home, and there were certain things that the WWE stayed away from, because it was too easy to do at home.
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And you don't want kids to see it, and I know AEW is not catering to children, I get it.
00:18:05
So I'm just wondering about that thing, and if you feel like I'm being overly critical or I'm being too sensitive, it's not overly critical, because I'm really not criticizing it, I'm just telling you how I feel.
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But if you think I'm being too sensitive about it, feel free to let me know.
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I would love to hear as much feedback from you guys, because I don't get to do Wednesday nights with you guys a lot anymore, and I do enjoy talking to you about this, especially AEW, because AEW has their people right now that are just not on board,
00:18:33
and they have their die-hard lovers and supporters, and I'm cool with that.
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And if you're a die-hard lover and supporter, I definitely want to hear from you.
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And if you have an opinion on the scissor or whatever, I want to hear from you.
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Here's what I like about AEW right now.
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I want to start off with a positive, and this is the most glaring positive I can find in AEW right now.
00:19:06
And it's one story, and I think you guys are going to know where I'm going to go with this.
00:19:13
Mariah May and Tony Storm.
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Love it, love it, love it.
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I think Mariah and Tony are doing a phenomenal job.
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Now before I got to my studio tonight to watch Dynamite, and come on and talk to you Ram Bunches Sickos, I'm on the phone with LaGrecca.
00:19:37
It days like, "Bully, why would you have the return of Tony Storm at collision?"
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I'm like, "David, it's a great point."
00:19:51
But maybe they figured they would do it at collision, and then show a follow-up package on Dynamite, and we'll see Tony and they'll connect the dots.
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I was hoping that's what we were going to get.
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Now we got the package.
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We get the recap package with Mariah and Tony, which was very good.
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And then we get Mariah May out on the stage.
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Renee Piquette calls Mariah out your AEW Women's Champion.
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Side note, Mariah May, Smoke Show, Mariah May comes out.
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Max about Tony, talks about Tony play in the role, being in character, talks about what she's going to do to Tony, blah, blah, blah, cut her promo.
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I felt like Mariah was memorizing a little bit tonight.
00:20:48
There was a lot of stuff for her to remember.
00:20:53
I think Mariah is getting better with her promo.
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You got to remember, Mariah has only been doing this for a short time, guys.
00:20:59
But every time I see her, she takes a step forward.
00:21:02
And that's a positive in my eyes.
00:21:06
But what am I expecting?
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I'm like, all right, Tony's going to come out and bust us.
00:21:12
Tony's going to show up.
00:21:13
I'm going to see Tony because I want to see Tony face to face with Mariah.
00:21:18
I want to see that on Dynamite.
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I want to see that on your A show.
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I want the most amount of people at home to be able to see the number one story that you're telling in this company.
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And if you don't think that Mariah and Tony is the number one story, you're a fool.
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You could like some of the other stuff they're doing, but this is the best story.
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Not because I'm telling you what to like, but in my professional opinion, it's the best story.
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It has the most depth depth and it's paying off every single time we see them.
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