Conversation between Saleh Kashefi, Heitor Augusto and Sanne Jehoul

In an increasingly dark global climate, what does it mean for film festivals to platform and for filmmakers to produce ‘political’ work, particularly short films, with their particular space for immediacy and radical expression? When work is made with political or activist intent, what tensions arise when they encounter a Euro/Western centric and elite industry? Iranian filmmaker Saleh Kashefi, Brazilian curator Heitor Augusto, and Talking Shorts commissioning editor Sanne Jehoul discuss some thoughts and provocations around power imbalances, the damage of competition-driven programming practices, who sets aesthetic standards, and more. In collaboration with **Programmers of Colour Collective **and Talking Shorts. 

Films in discussion are:
Estamos todos aqui (We Are All Here) by Chica Andrade and Rafael Mellim (Link to the film)
Filme sem querer (Film or Not Film) by Lincoln Péricles
And How Miserable is the Home of Evil by Saleh Kashefi
How to Order Online by Jules Ramage (Link to the film)
I Signed the Petition by Mahdi Fleifel (Link to the film)

Length: 62:09
Recorded: 15 September, 2025

Host and Curator: Sanne Jehoul
Speaker: Heitor Augusto, Saleh Kashefi
Music Composer: Marcus Lori
Sound Design: Clemens Litschko
Editor and Producer: Anne Rethfeldt

The DOK Industry Podcast 2025 is realised in partnership with POC2 Programmers of Colour Collective, What’s Up With Docs Podcast and Talking Shorts, and supported by film.macht.kritisch - Der Podcast über das andere Kino.

You can find out more about our collaborators here.