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This podcast features an in-depth interview with Justin Vernon of Bon Iver. The conversation spans a wide range of topics, beginning with a discussion of his new album and its themes of sensuality and authenticity. Vernon details his journey from more evasive lyrics to a more direct and honest style of songwriting, reflecting his personal growth and increased confidence. He discusses Bon Iver's evolution from a solo project to a collaborative collective, the impact of COVID-19 on his work, and his decision to step back from extensive touring. The interview delves into his past struggles with anxiety and the pressures of fame, exploring how he used the band's size as a mechanism for both creation and concealment. He shares his experiences seeking advice from other musicians, particularly Leslie Feist, and the importance of prioritizing his mental and physical health. The discussion covers the release strategy of the *Sable* EP and the *Fable* album, the conceptual contrast between them, and his desire to move beyond emotionally heavy music towards more joy and fun in his performances. Vernon opens up about his past illnesses and the process of seeking permission to heal, highlighting the support he received. He discusses collaborations with musicians like Jimmy Stack, Dijon, and Michael Lewis, emphasizing the collaborative and supportive nature of these partnerships. The interview also touches upon his move to Los Angeles, his evolving relationship with love and self-love, his uncertain plans for touring, and his ongoing creative process. Finally, the conversation includes lighter moments, such as a snack review and reflections on his personality and coping mechanisms for loneliness.

Outlines

00:00:00

Polestar 3 Advertisement & Bon Iver's New Album: Sensuality and Authenticity

A brief advertisement for the Polestar 3 precedes an interview discussing Vernon's new album, focusing on themes of sensuality, personal growth, and more direct lyrical expression.

00:04:28

Bon Iver's Evolution and Addressing Anxiety & Fame

Vernon discusses Bon Iver's transformation into a collaborative collective, the impact of COVID, and his past struggles with anxiety and the pressures of fame, including using the band's size as a way to both create and hide.

00:12:22

*Sable* & *Fable*, Healing, and Seeking Support

The discussion shifts to the *Sable* EP and *Fable* album's release strategy, Vernon's journey of healing, seeking support from others (like Leslie Feist), and prioritizing his well-being.

00:21:55

Collaborators, Creative Inspiration, and Jimmy Stack

Vernon discusses his collaborations with Jimmy Stack, Dijon, Michael Lewis, and others, highlighting their influence and the reinvigoration of his creative process, particularly his partnership with Jimmy Stack.

00:29:36

Self-Discovery, Live Performances, and High-Profile Collaborations

Vernon reflects on lessons learned about self-acceptance and confidence, the generative power of Bon Iver's live performances, and his ability to balance solo work with high-profile collaborations (Kanye West, Taylor Swift).

00:38:37

Los Angeles, Lyrical Honesty, and Gratitude

The interview covers Vernon's move to Los Angeles, the shift towards more direct lyrics, his newfound gratitude, and reflections on love and self-love.

00:46:47

Future of Touring, Creative Process, and Musical Influences

Vernon discusses uncertain touring plans, his creative process (songwriting), future releases, and the musical influences shaping his work.

01:04:06

Personality, Loneliness, and Childhood Influences

The conversation shifts to Vernon's alpha personality, coping mechanisms for loneliness (food delivery, Gerard Butler movies), and the impact of "I Need a Hero" (Bonnie Tyler) on his childhood.

01:12:10

First Impressions, Snack Review, and Artistic Reflections

The podcast concludes with discussions about first impressions, a review of Japanese creamy cheese bites, and self-reflective analysis of Vernon's perceived artistic weaknesses and ambitions.

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Q&A

• How did your move to Los Angeles impact your creative process and overall well-being?

  The move to LA provided a change of scenery and a chance to connect with new people and collaborators, fostering a sense of anonymity and allowing for a more relaxed and creative environment, contributing to improved well-being.

• What are some key differences between your earlier, more cryptic songwriting style and the more direct approach on your new album?

  The new album features more plain-spoken lyrics, reflecting a greater sense of self-acceptance and a desire for more direct emotional communication, moving away from the use of cryptic language and invented words.

• How has your view of technology in music evolved over time, and how does it contribute to your emotional expression?

  Vernon views technology as an instrument, not just a tool, allowing for the creation of new sounds and emotions that wouldn't be possible with traditional instruments. He sees it as a way to enhance, not hinder, emotional expression.

• What were some of the biggest challenges you faced in overcoming your past struggles with anxiety and the pressures of fame?

  Vernon faced significant anxiety and the pressure of constant public attention. Overcoming this involved seeking support from others, making difficult decisions to prioritize his well-being, and ultimately accepting his reality and finding gratitude.

• How do you balance your solo work with high-profile collaborations, and what do you learn from these different experiences?

  Vernon approaches collaborations organically, focusing on the creative process and learning from the diverse approaches of other artists. He prioritizes his own creative vision while remaining open to new influences and perspectives.

• What are your plans for touring this new album, and how will you ensure a healthier and more sustainable approach to performing?

  Vernon is uncertain about touring plans, prioritizing his well-being and seeking a more sustainable approach to performing. He is exploring alternative ways to share his music and connect with his audience.

• How does Justin Vernon balance his alpha personality with the needs of others in his relationships?

  Vernon acknowledges that his alpha personality can sometimes overshadow his sensitivity to others' feelings. He strives to be more aware and adjust his approach to foster better relationships.

• What are some of Justin Vernon's coping mechanisms for dealing with loneliness?

  He utilizes food delivery services and watching Gerard Butler movies as ways to combat loneliness, particularly during his early days in Los Angeles.

• What song made Justin Vernon feel powerful as a child, and why?

  "I Need a Hero" by Bonnie Tyler empowered him due to its anthemic and inspiring nature, fueling a sense of superhuman capability.

• What is Justin Vernon's biggest weakness as an artist, according to himself?

  He playfully suggests a lack of ambition in the traditional sense, implying that his focus is not on mainstream success but on artistic integrity.

Show Notes