Summary

• Introduction and Backgrounds 

 ◦ Mattsuuii introduces XHale (aka Chris Hale) from Phoenix, Arizona, now residing in Colorado Springs, Colorado.

 ◦ XHale introduces himself as part of the record label Century World Industry and expresses his dedication to the music industry.

 ◦ Mattsuuii shares his background, including his education in sound engineering and music production, and his work as a producer and ghostwriter for Universal and Sony.

 ◦ Mattsuuii explains his use of his success to help upcoming artists through his podcast and mentions his professional promoter.

• Upbringing and Early Influences 

 ◦ XHale talks about his upbringing in Phoenix, mentioning his birth in Mesa and his involvement in sports like basketball and football.

 ◦ He shares his transition into music, influenced by his interest in manipulating sounds and noises from a young age.

 ◦ XHale discusses his early projects, including remixes for Lil John and Lil Scrappy, and his first significant project, "Day of Reckoning" with the group Simply Pimpin.

 ◦ He mentions winning the Producer's Choice Award for Hip Hop Artist of the Year at the Phoenix Music Awards in 2011.

• Musical Journey and Achievements 

 ◦ Mattsuuii shares his early musical journey, starting with his first album "Money Over Matter" in 2012 and his subsequent education in music production.

 ◦ XHale talks about his first significant project, "Day of Reckoning," and its impact, including winning an award at the Phoenix Music Awards.

 ◦ Mattsuuii highlights his ghostwriting work for artists like Tee Grizzly, Travis Scott, and Kanye West, and the royalties he receives from these collaborations.

 ◦ XHale discusses his current project with Shadow Boy, a new song called "Low Rider Girl," and its cultural significance.

• Artistry and Definitions 

 ◦ Mattsuuii and XHale discuss the differences between rap and hip hop, with XHale defining rap as putting words together that rhyme and hip hop as the feeling and soul behind the words.

 ◦ They agree that mainstream music is often just rap, while hip hop can evoke emotions and tell stories.

 ◦ XHale defines artistry as the ability to convey feelings and emotions through music, and they discuss how artistry can be expressed in various forms, not just music.

 ◦ Mattsuuii emphasizes the importance of creativity and the ability to evoke emotions in art.

• Independence and Future Plans 

 ◦ XHale talks about his decision to maintain creative control over his music and his ability to manage his career independently.

 ◦ Mattsuuii shares his own experience of working independently and running his own label, Way 2 Guud ENT.

 ◦ They discuss the importance of education in music and their respective educational backgrounds, including attending Full Sail University.

 ◦ XHale mentions his ongoing education at Full Sail to obtain a Bachelor's degree in audio production.

• Collaboration and Final Thoughts

 ◦ Mattsuuii offers to send XHale two free beats and new tracks for potential collaboration.

 ◦ XHale expresses his interest in working with Mattsuuii and shares his acronym for success: Faith, Focused, Aware, Dedicated, and Educated People Around Us.

 ◦ They discuss the importance of spirituality and faith in their lives and their plans to stay in contact for future collaborations.

 ◦XHale shares his social handles and thanks Mattsuuii for the opportunity to be on the show, while Mattsuuii wishes XHale a happy belated birthday and promotes the episode for release.