We chat to Cassie Robinson, Head of Digital Grant Making at the Big Lottery Fund. Cassie was also recently Strategic Design Director at DotEveryone; where she led the Digital Society strand of work looking at how the internet is changing society and strengthening and protecting what matters most.

We hear what it was like being a service designer before digital was a thing, and why we still need to work just as hard to reach across disciplines and sectors if we're to effect social change. Passionate about social innovation and systems thinking, Cassie talks to us about the importance of building networks and relationships with people who share our mission.

We also get Cassie's thoughts on responsible leadership, chat about her background in the fashion industry, and how we can work together to shift the basis of power away from traditional lines. Finally, we get possibly the most unexpected answer to a question we've ever heard on the show! An awesome way to kick off your weekend!