"Environmental conservation" has meant many things: the protection of at-risk species and ecosystems, but also the eviction and exclusion of Indigenous peoples and lifeways.

In this episode, Eli Enns and Soudeh Jamshidian (both of the IISAAK Olam Foundation) sit down with anchor Mutuma to discuss new frameworks for conservation that centre Indigenous wisdom — specifically, the concept of an IPCA or Indigenous Protected and Conserved Areas, which Eli helped to create.

Plus, a multi-layered perspective of jurisdiction; approaching environmental stewardship with both a concept of rights and responsibilities; the importance of good faith dialogue in an "ethical space"; and finally, Eli offers a proposal for how we might fund ecological integrity in False Creek.

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Learn more about the IISAAK Olam Foundation at https://iisaakolam.ca/

Read the Indigenous Circle of Elders Report: https://www.icce-caec.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/PA234-ICE_Report_2018_Mar_22_web.pdf

And dive deep into IPCAs with the IPCA Knowledge Basket https://ipcaknowledgebasket.ca/

Special thanks to our friends at the Small Planet Heroes podcast https://www.cosphere.net/podcast

Learn more about False Creek Friends at https://falsecreekfriends.org/

and sign up for our newsletter: https://falsecreekfriends.org/newsletter

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Produced and recorded by Mendel Skulski

Theme Music by Jonathan Kawchuk, mix by Paul Evans

Editing by Greg Sures, Riley Byrne, and Mendel Skulski

Cover Artwork by Aline Monjardim

Wordmark by Madison Reid

Additional Cinematography by Mary Paquet, Fernando Lessa, Johannes Fast