A recent connection to David Ferdinand led to recording this conversation. David is an American citizen living on an island off the coast of Brazil near to São Sebastião, São Paulo.

Our conversation covers a range of issues related to susctainability, circular economy and life in general.

I like islands as a geographically constrained model for thinking about the input and output of materials in the "system" of the island.

The story of David the Indian which we talk about is one worth listening to. I can relate to it and see in the parable a connection to what we face with the concepts of a sustainable, circular economy.

We have the fog of unsustainability in a complex world right in front of us which we have to step into with faith that we will come out the other side with new clarity, wisdom and a belief in our abilities to solve the challenges we face.

David is a fascinating individual! Enjoy our conversation.

To listen to the story of "David The Indian" go to: www.kryon.com

• Look for the "Free audio" (mid screen)


• Find the section "Parables" (bottom)


• Find Track 4


• Story 2


• Time code for start of story is somewhere close to: 20:17 -29:00

For more on David and 'Ilha das Couves':  www.eportbrasil.com

https://www.facebook.com/ilhadascouves

David's Facebook

For more information on The Circular Economy Forum of the Americas 2012 edition go to: CEFA2021

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