Fun fact - you may not know  Steve recently took up boxing as a positive and fun way to exercise and every inch of him was hurting when he sat down with us to record. Steve is another CHOLearning.org buddy Ken and I met this year and didn't nearly get to spend enough time with him, and this won't be the only time we chat with him with the microphone recording. He has a wonderful sense of humor and a genuine humility when it comes to talking about how nervous he was before getting on stage (at CHOL) and adding a whole segment on HOP and why humor is important. If you're an American (like me), that loves awesome accents and dialects, you're in for a treat!

It's fun to be the "weird safety guy"!

New KPI suggestion: How many Christmas parties do you get invited to?

From Ken: Has anybody asked if the workers even know what they did was a violation? This could be a different starting point.

Recipe for an awesome chat:

1. Take one Scotsman and train him in HOP for ten years.
2. Plant him in Australia assisting High Reliability Operations.
3. Give him stand up comedy lessons.
4. Invite him for a talk about anything!

Please check out the amazing people doing amazing things on these podcasts we listen to and love:

• Leading Safely Podcast with Georgina Poole
• Punk Rock Safety with Ben Goodheart, Dave Provan, and Ron Gantt
• Counter-Errorism in Diving: Applying Human Factors to Diving with Gareth Lock
• The HOP Nerd with Sam Goodman
• A HOP Podcast (With No Name) with Andrea Baker and Matt Florio
• Health & Safety Conversations with Tom Bourne
• Pre-Accident Investigations with Todd Conklin
• Safety on Tap with Andrew Barrett
• (Not HOP-related, but an AMAZING untold history podcast) The Missing Chapter Podcast with Philip Horrender and Phil Schoff