"So, did we fix it?" Ron, Ken, and James chat about trust and how that effects decision making. Sharp end decisions WILL be made, as leadership, do you want to be part of those decisions and if so, how much?

"Flips the script away from human frailty to human expertise"

"People are routinely overcoming challenges, difficulties, pressures, dilemmas; they're dealing with that all of the time, and they do it so well, they hide it - that's Dave Woods' Law of Fluency."

"Eventually, expertise is going to break down under certain pressures..."

"...the pressures or dilemmas are going to overwhelm that expertise, so how can we support people to leverage that expertise in a more effective way in those situations?"

So, how come you don't know Ron Gantt, yet?

Education:

Ph.D. Industrial and Systems Engineering, The Ohio State University

M.Eng Safety Engineering & Management, University of Alabama at Birmingham

contact him: rongantt@hotmail.com

Please check out the amazing people doing amazing things on these podcasts we listen to and love:

• Leading Safely Podcast with Georgina Poole
• Punk Rock Safety with Ben Goodheart, Dave Provan, and Ron Gantt
• Counter-Errorism in Diving: Applying Human Factors to Diving with Gareth Lock
• How Did It Make Sense? with Gareth Lock
• The HOP Nerd with Sam Goodman
• A HOP Podcast (With No Name) with Andrea Baker and Matt Florio
• Health & Safety Conversations with Tom Bourne
• Pre-Accident Investigations with Todd Conklin
• Safety on Tap with Andrew Barrett
• (Not HOP-related, but an AMAZING untold history podcast) The Missing Chapter Podcast with Philip Horrender and Phil Schoff