We’re catching up with Dan Hon, Principal at Very Little Gravitas, and Code for America Advisor and Co-Chair. Dan is a tech startup veteran, and now works with governments across the United States to build digital services that are easy to understand and copy.

We talk to Dan about his journey into digital, via a law degree and a career in brand advertising with Nike, Sony and Facebook. We reflect on the nature of product delivery in the networked age, and discuss how storytelling can create a more human internet. We hear fascinating stories from Dan’s time with Code for America, helping vulnerable people access food stamps against the backdrop of wealthy Silicon Valley.

Dan also shares his thoughts on mental health and masculinity, and why we need to close the empathy gap to deliver better services. And to round off the week, we end with a Martha Lane Fox drinking game!