Daniel Hagler and Aryeh Englander: Can Jews Who Stay Talk With Jews Who Left? [OTD 2/3]
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In this episode of the 18Forty Podcast, David Bashevkin moderates a dialogue between Aryeh Englander—the ex-Orthodox Jew known as “Philo Judeas,” who is a moderator of the ambitious Frum/OTD Dialogue Facebook group—and Daniel Hagler, a frum surgeon and a moderator of the Facebook group Respectfully Debating Judaism.
Together, we talk about seeking meaning, uncovering religious truths, and making the most of the precious gift we call “life.” In this episode we discuss:
Interview begins at 19:29 .
Follow-up Hagler interview begins at 1:19:04 .
References:
18Forty Podcast: “Philo Judaeus: Is There a Room for Dialogue?”
Judaism on Trial: Jewish-Christian Disputations in the Middle Ages by Hyam Maccoby
Reality+: Virtual Worlds and the Problems of Philosophy by David J. Chalmers
Tzidkat HaTzadik 41
18Forty Podcast: “Rav Moshe Weinberger: Can Mysticism Become a Community?”
“Worlds Together” in Mishpacha
Jewish Philosophy as a Guide to Life: Rosenzweig, Buber, Levinas, Wittgenstein by Hilary Putnam
No Country for Old Men (2007)
Slate Star Codex
Eruvin 13b
How Judaism Became a Religion: An Introduction to Modern Jewish Thought by Leora Batnitzky
18Forty Podcast: “Malka Simkovich: The Mystery of the Jewish People”
A Letter in the Scroll: Understanding Our Jewish Identity and Exploring the Legacy of the World's Oldest Religion by Rabbi Jonathan Sacks
Notes from Underground by Fyodor Dostoevsky
Kiddushin 30a
Leviticus 10:16
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In this episode of the 18Forty Podcast, David Bashevkin moderates a dialogue between Aryeh Englander—the ex-Orthodox Jew known as “Philo Judeas,” who is a moderator of the ambitious Frum/OTD Dialogue Facebook group—and Daniel Hagler, a frum surgeon and a moderator of the Facebook group Respectfully Debating Judaism.
Together, we talk about seeking meaning, uncovering religious truths, and making the most of the precious gift we call “life.” In this episode we discuss:
- How do we know if Judaism is “real” and true?
- How is a religious commitment like a romantic one?
- Which is more important: Judaism being true or Judaism being useful?
Interview begins at 19:29 .
Follow-up Hagler interview begins at 1:19:04 .
References:
18Forty Podcast: “Philo Judaeus: Is There a Room for Dialogue?”
Judaism on Trial: Jewish-Christian Disputations in the Middle Ages by Hyam Maccoby
Reality+: Virtual Worlds and the Problems of Philosophy by David J. Chalmers
Tzidkat HaTzadik 41
18Forty Podcast: “Rav Moshe Weinberger: Can Mysticism Become a Community?”
“Worlds Together” in Mishpacha
Jewish Philosophy as a Guide to Life: Rosenzweig, Buber, Levinas, Wittgenstein by Hilary Putnam
No Country for Old Men (2007)
Slate Star Codex
Eruvin 13b
How Judaism Became a Religion: An Introduction to Modern Jewish Thought by Leora Batnitzky
18Forty Podcast: “Malka Simkovich: The Mystery of the Jewish People”
A Letter in the Scroll: Understanding Our Jewish Identity and Exploring the Legacy of the World's Oldest Religion by Rabbi Jonathan Sacks
Notes from Underground by Fyodor Dostoevsky
Kiddushin 30a
Leviticus 10:16
For more 18Forty:
NEWSLETTER: 18forty.org/join
CALL: (212) 582-1840
EMAIL: info@18forty.org
WEBSITE: 18forty.org
IG: @18forty
X: @18_fortyWhatsApp: join here
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/18forty-podcast--4344730/support.
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