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David Chang and Much Ado About Nothing

David Chang and Much Ado About Nothing

Update: 2024-10-09
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The podcast begins with a lighthearted discussion about dating apps, specifically Hinge, and the changing landscape of dating. The hosts then delve into their experiences with renowned chef David Chang, discussing his restaurants, cooking style, and their personal interactions with him. A mystery surrounding David Chang's text messages is revealed, with Bobby Lee claiming to have been trying to reach him for years without a response. The conversation shifts to the culinary ecosystem, with David Chang explaining his approach to networking, comparing it to planting seeds. He emphasizes the importance of building relationships and the challenges of staying connected in a busy industry. The hosts discuss their limited circle of chef friends, specifically mentioning Roy Choi, and speculate about Choi's feelings towards Bobby Lee. Bobby Lee attempts to contact Roy Choi through a series of phone calls but is unable to reach him. The hosts discuss the challenges of finding the right Roy Choi in Bobby Lee's phone contacts. The conversation then turns to Korean culture and identity, with Bobby Lee explaining his experiences with Korean people and his own cultural background. The podcast features an advertisement for DuckDuck, an app that helps users find and book in-network doctor appointments. The hosts discuss the convenience and benefits of using the app. The conversation then shifts to a discussion about aged butter, specifically "cave butter," which was made by a cheese shop in New York. The shop is no longer open, which saddens the speakers because they enjoyed the unique flavor of the butter. The speakers discuss Bobby's limited culinary experiences, particularly his aversion to sushi and preference for simple foods like hamburgers and chicken. They reminisce about a time Bobby ordered a Wagyu Shorma with beans instead of toppings. The conversation shifts to Philly Cheese Steaks, with Bobby claiming to have been to Philadelphia and enjoyed the dish. However, he struggles to describe it, leading to a playful guessing game about its ingredients. This chapter is an advertisement for Calci, a legal prediction market app. The speakers discuss the app's features, which allow users to trade on various events, including album announcements, movie scores, and political outcomes. The speakers debate the quality of Korean food in Koreatown compared to Korea. They argue that while Korean food in Korea is more progressive, Koreatown offers a unique "time capsule" experience with older recipes and flavors. The conversation focuses on finding the best Korean food in Koreatown. The speakers discuss the importance of understanding the level of food desired and the impact of word-of-mouth recommendations on restaurant popularity. The speakers discuss the differences between living in New York and LA. They share their experiences and perspectives on the two cities, highlighting the benefits of a more relaxed lifestyle and the opportunity to explore new experiences. The conversation shifts to Dave Chappelle's hometown of Yellow Springs, Ohio. The speakers discuss the town's unique charm, eclectic shops, and Dave's influence on the local comedy scene. The speakers discuss the differences between sushi in Japan and the United States. They compare Jiro Ono's famous sushi restaurant in Tokyo to Hero, a fast-paced sushi restaurant in New York. The conversation explores the subjectivity of "best" when it comes to food and entertainment. The speakers argue that personal preferences and experiences play a significant role in determining what is considered the best. The speakers discuss the exclusivity of Sushi Saito, a renowned sushi restaurant in Tokyo. They highlight the restaurant's invitation-only policy and the importance of being a "good diner" to gain access. The conversation delves into the psychology of desire, particularly in the context of relationships. The speakers discuss the tendency to be more attracted to those who are unattainable or less interested in us. The speakers discuss the quality of sushi in America, particularly in LA and New York. They acknowledge the growing popularity of sushi and the increasing availability of high-quality options. The speakers debate the merits of The Godfather, a classic film. They argue that while it is widely considered a great movie, some people may not appreciate its complexity or themes. The speakers express concern about the younger generation's lack of exposure to classic films and cultural touchstones like The Godfather. They worry about the potential impact on their understanding of history and culture. The speakers playfully boast about their iPhone expertise, suggesting they are more tech-savvy than their listeners. The speakers discuss the cultural impact of the mobile game Floppy Bird, comparing it to classic video games like Super Mario. The speakers attempt to solve a riddle about two fathers and two sons in a car with only three people. They struggle to find the answer, eventually revealing it to be a grandfather, father, and son. The conversation concludes with a discussion about age and its impact on food preferences and digestion. The speakers playfully banter about their ages and the challenges of maintaining a healthy diet. The conversation starts with a discussion about greasy food and its effects on the body, particularly the feeling of discomfort that can arise hours after consumption. The discussion shifts to the potential impact of greasy food on future generations, with the speaker speculating about their children's reactions to their home-cooked meals compared to restaurant fare. The conversation delves into the speaker's cooking abilities, specifically their ability to make chicken fingers from scratch. The topic then transitions to a request for a "bull duck" dish, which is described as a spicy noodle dish. The speaker recommends a Japanese restaurant called Wabi House in Dallas, sparking a discussion about chain restaurants and the speaker's preference for them. The conversation turns to dinner plans, with the speaker suggesting a restaurant visit and proposing to document the experience with cameras. The speaker also mentions wanting an evaluation report on the food. The speaker sets a challenge for the listener, requiring them to try everything on the menu during the planned dinner. The speaker emphasizes that the listener should try things outside their comfort zone. The conversation shifts to a discussion about Kirston and Lindsay's wife, with the speaker expressing admiration for their appearance. The speaker briefly mentions a competition they participated in, highlighting their team's victory despite their own poor performance. The speaker discusses their team's strategy in the competition, which involved using genius analytics to predict the odds of winning. The speaker expresses their desire to return to the Family Feud show, mentioning their intention to change up their team for future appearances. The conversation shifts to a personal anecdote about the speaker being told they give off "little dick energy" by a woman they met. The speaker then discusses their experiences with dating apps, particularly Hinge and Tinder.

Outlines

00:00:00
Dating Apps and Culinary Encounters

The podcast begins with a discussion about dating apps, specifically Hinge, and the changing landscape of dating. The hosts then delve into their experiences with renowned chef David Chang, discussing his restaurants, cooking style, and their personal interactions with him. A mystery surrounding David Chang's text messages is revealed, with Bobby Lee claiming to have been trying to reach him for years without a response.

00:05:13
The Culinary Ecosystem and Chef Friends

The conversation shifts to the culinary ecosystem, with David Chang explaining his approach to networking, comparing it to planting seeds. He emphasizes the importance of building relationships and the challenges of staying connected in a busy industry. The hosts discuss their limited circle of chef friends, specifically mentioning Roy Choi, and speculate about Choi's feelings towards Bobby Lee.

00:07:16
Korean Culture and Identity

Bobby Lee attempts to contact Roy Choi through a series of phone calls but is unable to reach him. The hosts discuss the challenges of finding the right Roy Choi in Bobby Lee's phone contacts. The conversation then turns to Korean culture and identity, with Bobby Lee explaining his experiences with Korean people and his own cultural background.

00:16:04
DuckDuck and Cave Butter

The podcast features an advertisement for DuckDuck, an app that helps users find and book in-network doctor appointments. The hosts discuss the convenience and benefits of using the app. The conversation then shifts to a discussion about aged butter, specifically "cave butter," which was made by a cheese shop in New York. The shop is no longer open, which saddens the speakers because they enjoyed the unique flavor of the butter.

00:41:52
Bobby's Culinary Journey and Philly Cheese Steak Mystery

The speakers discuss Bobby's limited culinary experiences, particularly his aversion to sushi and preference for simple foods like hamburgers and chicken. They reminisce about a time Bobby ordered a Wagyu Shorma with beans instead of toppings. The conversation shifts to Philly Cheese Steaks, with Bobby claiming to have been to Philadelphia and enjoyed the dish. However, he struggles to describe it, leading to a playful guessing game about its ingredients.

00:44:32
Calci and Koreatown vs. Korea Food Debate

This chapter is an advertisement for Calci, a legal prediction market app. The speakers discuss the app's features, which allow users to trade on various events, including album announcements, movie scores, and political outcomes. The speakers debate the quality of Korean food in Koreatown compared to Korea. They argue that while Korean food in Korea is more progressive, Koreatown offers a unique "time capsule" experience with older recipes and flavors.

00:50:18
Finding the Best Korean Food and New York vs. LA

The conversation focuses on finding the best Korean food in Koreatown. The speakers discuss the importance of understanding the level of food desired and the impact of word-of-mouth recommendations on restaurant popularity. The speakers discuss the differences between living in New York and LA. They share their experiences and perspectives on the two cities, highlighting the benefits of a more relaxed lifestyle and the opportunity to explore new experiences.

00:58:35
Dave Chappelle's Yellow Springs and Sushi Debate

The conversation shifts to Dave Chappelle's hometown of Yellow Springs, Ohio. The speakers discuss the town's unique charm, eclectic shops, and Dave's influence on the local comedy scene. The speakers discuss the differences between sushi in Japan and the United States. They compare Jiro Ono's famous sushi restaurant in Tokyo to Hero, a fast-paced sushi restaurant in New York.

01:04:09
The Subjectivity of "Best" and Sushi Saito

The conversation explores the subjectivity of "best" when it comes to food and entertainment. The speakers argue that personal preferences and experiences play a significant role in determining what is considered the best. The speakers discuss the exclusivity of Sushi Saito, a renowned sushi restaurant in Tokyo. They highlight the restaurant's invitation-only policy and the importance of being a "good diner" to gain access.

01:07:39
Psychology of Desire and Sushi in America

The conversation delves into the psychology of desire, particularly in the context of relationships. The speakers discuss the tendency to be more attracted to those who are unattainable or less interested in us. The speakers discuss the quality of sushi in America, particularly in LA and New York. They acknowledge the growing popularity of sushi and the increasing availability of high-quality options.

01:09:36
The Godfather Debate and Worries About the Younger Generation

The speakers debate the merits of The Godfather, a classic film. They argue that while it is widely considered a great movie, some people may not appreciate its complexity or themes. The speakers express concern about the younger generation's lack of exposure to classic films and cultural touchstones like The Godfather. They worry about the potential impact on their understanding of history and culture.

01:11:40
iPhone Expertise and Floppy Bird Phenomenon

The speakers playfully boast about their iPhone expertise, suggesting they are more tech-savvy than their listeners. The speakers discuss the cultural impact of the mobile game Floppy Bird, comparing it to classic video games like Super Mario.

01:14:46
Age and Food

The speakers attempt to solve a riddle about two fathers and two sons in a car with only three people. They struggle to find the answer, eventually revealing it to be a grandfather, father, and son. The conversation concludes with a discussion about age and its impact on food preferences and digestion. The speakers playfully banter about their ages and the challenges of maintaining a healthy diet.

01:17:40
Greasy Food and Its Legacy

The conversation starts with a discussion about greasy food and its effects on the body, particularly the feeling of discomfort that can arise hours after consumption. The discussion shifts to the potential impact of greasy food on future generations, with the speaker speculating about their children's reactions to their home-cooked meals compared to restaurant fare.

01:19:01
Cooking Skills, Bull Duck, and Wabi House

The conversation delves into the speaker's cooking abilities, specifically their ability to make chicken fingers from scratch. The topic then transitions to a request for a "bull duck" dish, which is described as a spicy noodle dish. The speaker recommends a Japanese restaurant called Wabi House in Dallas, sparking a discussion about chain restaurants and the speaker's preference for them.

01:21:00
Dinner Plans and Food Challenges

The conversation turns to dinner plans, with the speaker suggesting a restaurant visit and proposing to document the experience with cameras. The speaker also mentions wanting an evaluation report on the food. The speaker sets a challenge for the listener, requiring them to try everything on the menu during the planned dinner. The speaker emphasizes that the listener should try things outside their comfort zone.

01:22:11
Family Feud and Dating Apps

The conversation shifts to a discussion about Kirston and Lindsay's wife, with the speaker expressing admiration for their appearance. The speaker briefly mentions a competition they participated in, highlighting their team's victory despite their own poor performance. The speaker discusses their team's strategy in the competition, which involved using genius analytics to predict the odds of winning. The speaker expresses their desire to return to the Family Feud show, mentioning their intention to change up their team for future appearances. The conversation shifts to a personal anecdote about the speaker being told they give off "little dick energy" by a woman they met. The speaker then discusses their experiences with dating apps, particularly Hinge and Tinder.

Keywords

Hinge


Hinge is a dating app that focuses on helping users find meaningful relationships. It uses a unique algorithm to match users based on their interests and values.

Momofuko


Momofuko is a restaurant group founded by David Chang, known for its innovative and flavorful dishes, particularly its ramen.

Major Domo


Major Domo is a restaurant in Los Angeles owned by David Chang, known for its eclectic menu and creative culinary experiences.

Roy Choi


Roy Choi is a renowned chef known for his Korean-inspired street food and his influence on the Los Angeles food scene.

Culinary Ecosystem


The culinary ecosystem refers to the interconnected network of chefs, restaurants, food suppliers, and other individuals involved in the food industry.

DuckDuck


DuckDuck is a free app and website that allows users to search and compare in-network doctors, book appointments, and find highly rated healthcare providers.

Cave Butter


A type of aged butter that was made by a cheese shop in New York. The butter was aged in a cave, which imparted a unique and funky flavor.

Wagyu Shorma


A type of sandwich made with Wagyu beef, a type of Japanese beef known for its marbling and rich flavor.

Philly Cheese Steak


A sandwich made with thinly sliced ribeye steak, melted cheese, and often other toppings, served on a long roll.

Calci


A legal prediction market app that allows users to trade on various events, including album announcements, movie scores, and political outcomes.

Koreatown


A neighborhood in Los Angeles known for its high concentration of Korean businesses and restaurants.

Yellow Springs


A small town in Ohio known for its eclectic shops, arts scene, and relaxed atmosphere.

Jiro Ono


A renowned sushi chef in Tokyo, known for his meticulous approach to sushi making and his restaurant, Sukiyabashi Jiro.

Hero


A fast-paced sushi restaurant in New York, known for its quick service and focus on sushi.

Sushi Saito


A highly exclusive sushi restaurant in Tokyo, known for its invitation-only policy and exceptional sushi.

Floppy Bird


A mobile game that became a cultural phenomenon in 2014. The game features a simple design and challenging gameplay.

Super Mario


A classic video game franchise featuring the iconic character Mario.

Greasy Food


Food that is cooked in a lot of oil or fat, often resulting in a rich and flavorful taste but can be unhealthy due to high calorie and fat content.

Bull Duck


A popular spicy noodle dish, often made with ramen noodles, meat, and a creamy, spicy sauce. It is a popular choice among young people.

Wabi House


A Japanese restaurant chain known for its diverse menu and popular dishes like scallops, ramen, and egg.

Ivy League


A group of eight prestigious universities in the northeastern United States, known for their academic excellence and selectivity.

Little Dick Energy


A slang term used to describe someone who is perceived as insecure, lacking confidence, or having a small penis. It is often used in a derogatory way.

Dating Apps


Mobile applications designed to facilitate romantic connections between users. Popular dating apps include Tinder, Hinge, and Bumble.

Q&A

  • What are some of the challenges of staying connected in the culinary world?

    David Chang explains that it can be difficult to stay in touch with everyone in the industry due to busy schedules and constantly changing phone numbers.

  • How does David Chang approach networking in the culinary world?

    Chang compares his approach to planting seeds, emphasizing the importance of building relationships and creating opportunities for future collaborations.

  • What is Bobby Lee's experience with Roy Choi?

    Bobby Lee shares a story about Roy Choi's respect for him, despite their limited interactions. He also discusses their shared experiences in the culinary world.

  • What is DuckDuck and how does it work?

    DuckDuck is an app that helps users find and book in-network doctor appointments. It allows users to search for doctors based on their insurance, location, specialty, and ratings.

  • What is "cave butter" and why is it no longer available?

    Cave butter is a type of aged butter that was made by a cheese shop in New York. The butter was aged in a cave, which imparted a unique and funky flavor. The shop is no longer open, so the butter is no longer available.

  • What is Calci and how does it work?

    Calci is a legal prediction market app that allows users to trade on various events, including album announcements, movie scores, and political outcomes. Users can buy contracts for a certain price and receive a payout if their prediction is correct.

  • What is the difference between Korean food in Koreatown and Korea?

    Korean food in Korea is more progressive and modern, while Koreatown offers a unique "time capsule" experience with older recipes and flavors. This is due to the fact that many Korean immigrants came to the United States with limited knowledge of modern Korean cuisine.

  • What makes Sushi Saito so exclusive?

    Sushi Saito is a renowned sushi restaurant in Tokyo that has an invitation-only policy. To gain access, you must be a "good diner" and have a strong reputation within the restaurant's community.

  • What is the "father and son" riddle and what is the answer?

    The riddle states that there are two fathers and two sons in a car with only three people. The answer is a grandfather, his son, and his grandson. The grandfather is a father, the son is a father, and the grandson is a son.

  • What are some of the potential downsides of eating greasy food?

    Greasy food can lead to discomfort and indigestion, especially when consumed in large quantities. It can also contribute to weight gain and other health issues.

  • What is the speaker's strategy for winning the Family Feud competition?

    The speaker's team used genius analytics to predict the odds of winning, and they decided to intentionally not answer some questions to increase their chances of winning.

  • What is the speaker's experience with dating apps like Hinge and Tinder?

    The speaker finds Hinge to be a less successful dating app than Tinder, attributing this to the prevalence of users seeking casual encounters. They also share an anecdote about a woman who asked for money for gas before a date.

Show Notes

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