Dawgman.com's Kim Grinolds spoke this week with former Seattle Times writer Bud Withers on the release of his book called 'Too Good to be Through', chronicling the Apple Cup series between Washington and Washington State. And with the Apple Cup coming up in just over a week, the conversation was a timely one.

To start the podcast, Kim asks the foundational question; why? Why did Bud decide to write about the history of the Apple Cup? Bud talked about the reasoning, as well as the genesis for the idea. In fact the book goes back to when the rivalry wasn't even known as the Apple Cup.

And piecing together basic questions like, who scored the first-ever touchdown for Washington in the rivalry, wasn't easy at all. Bud goes in-depth into the research behind the book, including long days pouring over ancient microfiche in the Suzzallo Library.

Bud also talks about how the rivalry naturally split the state up into different camps, but how it also became pretty heated almost right from when they started playing each other.

Kim also asked about some of Bud's favorite characters on both teams that he uncovered and/or spoke to during the writing of the book.

And of course the two talk about their favorite games in the series, games won by both teams.

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