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What does it feel like to watch someone die — legally?

In this gripping episode, human rights lawyer Clive Stafford-Smith takes us inside the haunting world of death row. Having defended some of the most notorious prisoners in America, Clive has witnessed the unthinkable: the execution of a man he believed was innocent.

💥 In this conversation:

The horrifying reality of witnessing an execution in the electric chair.

What it’s like to look into the eyes of a condemned man moments before death.

How Clive copes with the psychological toll of trying — and failing — to save lives.

Why he believes the death penalty is not just unjust, but evil.

The moral cost of a justice system that kills in the name of law and order.

Clive Stafford-Smith isn’t just any lawyer. He’s one of the most fearless human rights defenders alive today — the founder of Reprieve and a man who has spent his life fighting state-sanctioned killing. But in this raw, emotional conversation, he opens up about the times he lost. About the men he couldn’t save. About the nightmares that never go away.

This isn’t a polite debate — it’s a confrontation with death, conscience, and the very idea of justice. Clive and I clash on everything from faith to punishment to whether some crimes ever deserve mercy. But through that tension comes something rare: an honest look at what it means to be human in a system built to destroy.

⚖️ What would you do if you had to defend someone everyone else called a monster?

💭 And could you live with yourself if the state killed them anyway?

👇 Let me know in the comments what you would have asked Clive.

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