Does Iran Really Want War? (with Karim Sadjadpour)
Digest
The episode begins with a discussion of the escalating tensions between Iran and Israel, focusing on the recent assassination of a Hamas leader in Tehran by Israel and the potential for Iranian retaliation. The conversation then shifts to the potential for conflict between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon, highlighting the risks of a full-blown conflict and the potential for Iranian involvement. The episode also explores the implications of Russia's reliance on Iranian weaponry in its war with Ukraine, highlighting the challenges facing the United States in dealing with a coalition of adversaries. The conversation delves into the effectiveness of sanctions as a foreign policy tool, examining case studies of sanctions against South Africa and Cuba and arguing that sanctions against Iran have had a limited impact. The episode concludes with a discussion about the role of regime change in US foreign policy towards Iran, arguing that while regime change should not be the sole focus of US strategy, it should be a key component of a broader approach.
Outlines
Introduction and Sponsor Announcement
The episode begins with an introduction to the show, "Stay Tuned," and a sponsor announcement for the podcast "Into the Mix," a Ben and Jerry's podcast about joy and justice.
Listener Questions: DOJ Investigation and Classified Documents Case
The host addresses two listener questions. The first question concerns the DOJ's investigation into a potential $20 million payment from Egypt to Donald Trump. The host explains that the statute of limitations has likely expired, and the DOJ is not actively investigating the matter. The second question asks about the status of the 11th Circuit appeal in the classified documents case against Trump. The host provides an update on the case's timeline and discusses the potential reasons for the delay.
Iran, Israel, and the Middle East: A Tense Situation
The host introduces Karim Sajidpur, an expert on Iran, to discuss the escalating tensions between Iran and Israel. The conversation focuses on the recent assassination of a Hamas leader in Tehran by Israel and the potential for Iranian retaliation. Sajidpur explains the complexities of the situation, highlighting the challenges faced by both Iran and Israel in navigating the potential for a wider conflict.
Hezbollah and the Risk of Wider Conflict
The conversation shifts to the potential for conflict between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon. Sajidpur expresses concern about the possibility of a full-blown conflict, noting the large number of Israeli citizens displaced from their homes due to Hezbollah rocket attacks. He discusses the potential for Iranian retaliation involving Hezbollah, which could escalate the situation and draw Iran into the conflict.
Russia's Reliance on Iranian Weaponry
The conversation explores the implications of Russia's reliance on Iranian weaponry in its war with Ukraine. Sajidpur highlights the irony of a global nuclear power like Russia being dependent on a country like Iran for military support. He argues that this situation underscores the broader challenges facing the United States in its foreign policy, particularly in dealing with a coalition of adversaries like China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea.
The Effectiveness of Sanctions
The conversation delves into the effectiveness of sanctions as a foreign policy tool. Sajidpur examines the case studies of sanctions against South Africa and Cuba, highlighting the mixed results. He argues that sanctions against Iran have had a limited impact, particularly in light of the current global energy crisis. He suggests that sanctions can be a double-edged sword, potentially empowering regimes that benefit from isolation.
Iran and Israel: Not Natural Adversaries
Sajidpur challenges the notion that Iran and Israel are natural adversaries. He argues that the current hostility between the two countries is a product of the 1979 Iranian Revolution and the regime's ideology, which does not represent the true interests of the Iranian people. He highlights the historical friendship between Persians and Jews, citing the example of Cyrus the Great, who freed the Jews from Babylonian captivity.
Regime Change in Iran: A Necessary Component of US Strategy
The conversation concludes with a discussion about the role of regime change in US foreign policy towards Iran. Sajidpur argues that while regime change should not be the sole focus of US strategy, it should be a key component of a broader approach. He suggests that the US should champion the cause of political change in Iran, similar to its strategy towards the Soviet Union during the Cold War.
Keywords
Hamas
Hamas is a Palestinian Islamist political organization and militant group that controls the Gaza Strip. It is considered a terrorist organization by Israel, the United States, and the European Union.
Hezbollah
Hezbollah is a Lebanese Shia Islamist political party and militant group. It is considered a terrorist organization by the United States and Israel. Hezbollah has a strong military wing and is known for its rocket attacks on Israel.
Iran
Iran is a country in the Middle East with a rich history and culture. It is a major oil producer and has a significant influence in the region. Iran is governed by a theocratic regime, which has been the subject of international sanctions due to its nuclear program and support for militant groups.
Israel
Israel is a country in the Middle East with a strong military and a close relationship with the United States. It has been involved in numerous conflicts with its neighbors, including the Palestinians, Lebanon, and Syria. Israel is a democracy with a vibrant economy and a strong technological sector.
Sanctions
Sanctions are economic or political penalties imposed on a country or individual as a form of punishment or pressure. Sanctions can include trade restrictions, asset freezes, travel bans, and other measures. They are often used to try to influence a country's behavior or to promote political change.
Regime Change
Regime change is the process of replacing a government or political system with a new one. It can be achieved through various means, including elections, revolutions, coups, or foreign intervention. Regime change is a controversial topic, with proponents arguing that it can promote democracy and human rights, while opponents argue that it can lead to instability and violence.
Q&A
What are the main reasons for the escalating tensions between Iran and Israel?
The recent assassination of a Hamas leader in Tehran by Israel has heightened tensions between the two countries. Iran is under pressure to retaliate, but faces a difficult choice between appearing weak and risking a wider conflict.
What is the potential for a wider conflict between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon?
The situation on the Israel-Lebanon border is particularly volatile, with Hezbollah possessing a large arsenal of rockets and missiles. Iranian retaliation could involve Hezbollah launching attacks on Israel, potentially escalating the conflict and drawing Iran into the fray.
How effective have sanctions been as a foreign policy tool against Iran?
Sanctions against Iran have had mixed results. While they have constrained Iran's financial ability to support certain activities, they have also empowered the regime by reinforcing its isolationist tendencies. The current global energy crisis has also made it difficult to fully enforce sanctions against Iran.
What is the significance of Russia's reliance on Iranian weaponry in its war with Ukraine?
Russia's dependence on Iranian weaponry highlights the complex geopolitical landscape and the challenges facing the United States in dealing with a coalition of adversaries. It also raises questions about the effectiveness of US foreign policy strategies in isolating these countries.
Show Notes
Karim Sadjadpour is a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, where he focuses on Iran and U.S. foreign policy toward the Middle East. He joins Preet to discuss Israel’s recent assassinations in Iran and Lebanon, the inner workings of the Iranian regime, and America’s four-front Cold War.
Plus, what is former president Donald Trump’s connection to Egypt? And, what’s holding up Trump’s classified documents case in Florida?
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An exceptionally insightful interview. Many thanks.