"I feel like the best art in the world creates conversation," says artist Corey Ochai [4:17 ], founder and CEO of 1028 Studios, and there's no pair better to chop it with than the Drinking Partners. Ochai, who listeners might recognize as the creative director of America's best Black arts and craft beer festival, Barrel & Flow, reveals to Day and Ed why he briefly lost his joy for painting: "I was trying to create something that people would like, instead of creating from something that was inside me." The comment prompts a conversation about what inspires real, meaningful artistry, no matter the form. Alongside a Black beer history month six-pack from Chicago's Bitter Pops, these creative professionals go on to discuss everything from Basquiat, to summers at the Braddock Beach, to why you shouldn't schedule a podcast recording on your anniversary.

Guest: Corey Ochai

Location: 1028 Podcast Studio, Sharpsburg, PA. 

Production: Epicast.

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