In this DojoTalks, the sensei argue that 3700 Elo engines are so far beyond humans that they beat elite GMs even while spotting queen/rook/knight odds. They discuss that this gap reframes odds chess, preparation, and training, showing how much headroom remains in human understanding.

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00:05 Humans compared to machines in chess strength

01:14 Purist view of chess vs. odds traditions

02:06 GMs losing to Leela even with material odds

03:37 Notable results Naka Fabi Nepo against Leela

10:35 Odds games as a learning tool vs. engines

17:18 What an 800-point gap from Magnus really means

28:47 Computers proving drawish positions still hold winning chances

39:09 Engine Elo progress and the question of a plateau