In this episode, Nathan Spearing sits down with Uri Brito, Presiding Minister of the Communion of Reformed Evangelical Churches (CREC)—the denomination that includes leaders like Doug Wilson and Pete Hegseth. Together they reflect on the recent martyrdom of Charlie Kirk and what it means for Christians today. The conversation covers how men, families, and churches should respond in times of national upheaval: from worship and discipleship to marriage, child-rearing, and public witness. Pastor Brito lays out practical steps for raising sons and daughters in the faith, building strong households, and engaging publicly with boldness. They also discuss why young men are drawn to Orthodoxy, the need for strong Protestant voices, and how social media can be used strategically for kingdom work.

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Timestamped Outline

[00:00:00 ] Opening

Intro: reformation, Protestant tradition, and the example of Charlie Kirk.Nathan welcomes Pastor Uri Brito.

[00:02:00 ] Current Events & Sabbath Convictions

Uri shares about being invited to Charlie Kirk’s funeral on a Sunday and why he declined.The importance of keeping the Lord’s Day holy even during public events.

[00:03:00 ] Why Nathan Reached Out

Nathan recalls hearing Uri on rites of passage and the importance for military dads and churches.Connecting Charlie Kirk’s ministry to the absence of true rites of passage in American culture.

[00:08:00 ] Uri’s Background

Pastor in Pensacola, doctorate from Reformed Theological Seminary.Commitment to training pastors, political theology, and household economy.Father of five, invested in homeschooling and Christian education.

[00:10:00 ] Responding to Charlie Kirk’s Martyrdom

Nathan asks: “What are we supposed to do now?”Uri stresses application: worship, discipleship, household faithfulness, and public action.Martyrdom always produces multiplication in church history.

[00:14:00 ] Lessons from Charlie Kirk’s Life

Charlie’s rhetorical gifts, boldness, and courage.Martyrdom as a call to examine apathy and complacency in men.

[00:16:00 ] First Sphere: The Church

Recommitment to worship, catechism, and modeling faith for children.Martyrdom as a call back to faithful participation in local congregations.

[00:18:00 ] Second Sphere: Household Leadership

Men: get married, take responsibility, provide for families.Fathers must disciple their children directly, not outsource to wives or schools.Masculine education: setting rituals, rhythms, and rites of passage.

[00:20:00 ] Third Sphere: Public Witness

Engaging the local community: trash cleanup, confronting drag events.Example of Uri’s congregation planning a Psalm sing against public sin in Pensacola.

[00:22:00 ] Balancing Household and Public Duty

Nathan asks about prioritizing wife/kids vs. public action.Uri explains the church-friendly family model: spheres are interconnected, not isolated.Distinguishing between practitioners and poets in the church.

[00:28:00 ] Worship and Singing as Warfare

The importance of masculine, bold singing in congregational life.Tools like the Sing Your Part app to train families.Psalms of lament as appropriate response to tragedy.

[00:33:00 ] Denominations, Coalitions, and Online Engagement

Why denominational fights shouldn’t distract from bigger cultural battles.Need for coalitions like Charlie Kirk built.How online debates differ from face-to-face fellowship.

[00:39:00 ] Poets and Practitioners

Uri’s framework: poets (philosophers) and practitioners (doers).Why the church needs both — and why each must learn from the other.

[00:41:00 ] The Lure of Orthodoxy and Catholicism

Why young men are attracted to ritual and structure.Uri calls Eastern Orthodoxy a “mirage of the ancient.”Protestantism’s true fruits: Reformation, Puritans, and Western cultural achievements.

[00:55:00 ] Building Protestant Stability

Protestant tradition offers truth, beauty, and goodness when lived faithfully.Need for more bold Protestant voices online and in media.

[01:00:00 ] Using Social Media Wisely

Why almost everyone should be online (with a few exceptions).Poets and practitioners working together.Practical playbook: start with Scripture, add quotes, then strategy.Do things well: good tools, quality production, accountability.

[01:06:00 ] Closing Thoughts

Social media as service to Christ and His church.Encouragement for men to act decisively under church authority.Uri departs for an adoption ceremony; Nathan closes with thanks and blessing.

Transcript:

Uri interview

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Uri Brito: There’s a beauty to the reformation and to the Protestant tradition that needs to be reinstilled in the hearts of people.

And it’s true. We need more gifted YouTubers. We, uh, somebody who provides a greater vision of Protestant than Gavin Orland, you know, who does a fine job, but we

Nathan: Amen.

Uri Brito: a, a much richer Protestant tradition than what’s what he’s offering there from a tradition that doesn’t compromise in political matters. So that’s, that’s what I’m saying. And I think these, these, these are appearing, they’re taking place, they’re showing up. uh, this is the season I think the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk, I hope, will stir up 100 dormant voices to, to get out there and proclaim this, this vision that I’m proposing.

Nathan: Pastor welcome

Uri Brito: Hey Nathan, how are you?

Nathan: Living the dream.

Uri Brito: Hey, there you go. By Nathan or Nate.

Nathan: Uh, either my mother called me Nathan, and I feel [00:01:00 ] like it’s slightly more biblical, but in the military they, they like to truncate to single syllables,

Uri Brito: Oh, I imagine, I imagine

Nathan: realized my office door was open and there is a sometimes joyful music being produced and sometimes not so joyful music being produced in the household. So

Uri Brito: that’s a productive household. Looks like, sounds like,

Nathan: always endeavoring to be.

Uri Brito: Man. I am. Um, you know, I just got back from Brazil and um. these decisions I have to make. I just got a call from T-P-U-S-A, they gave me sort of VIP seats to go to the, the Kirk funeral.

Nathan: Oh, wow.

Uri Brito: um, but it’s on Sunday morning. It’s just, uh, I I don’t understand that at all. So I,

Nathan: I saw that, um, announcement and, um, the, the CREC has work to do still when I see stuff like that.

Uri Brito: I know. Yeah, me too. I feel the same way. Uh, so anyhow, so I’ll be here and I’m, so God knows what he’s [00:02:00 ] doing. ’cause I came back from Brazil with a little bit of a cold and uh, in fact I still have a little bit of a cold now. But, uh, other opportunities will arise.

Nathan: Amen. Pastors face the, the struggle to honor the Sabbath just like the rest of us.

Uri Brito: Exactly. We have a couple of Series C churches in the area that have afternoon services.

Nathan: Mm-hmm.

Uri Brito: And, um, that may have worked well, but I just, I’m just, I feel just convictions in that regard. Anyhow, you can tell it’s been in my mind last, uh, 12 hours. So I’ve been thinking about this quite a bit.

Nathan: Absolutely. I, um, I reached out to you and scheduled this, I think three or four weeks ago. Um, and, uh, none of what has happened in the last week or so has, was, had transpired. So I kind of originally. Reached out. I listened to a podcast I think he did a couple years ago about rites of passage and how you did that in your [00:03:00 ] household.

And I was like, I gotta talk to this guy about this. ’cause that’s something, we’re a predominantly special operations community, so it’s something that the dads here, um, I think as I look at the landscape, do very well in the discipling of their children. And then, you know, tying that to some, some pretty masculine activities.

Um, and so, but I think the, the, the flavor of, of what I wanted to talk about changes a little bit. I think it does go back to that because Charlie was speaking to these young men that hadn’t been spoken to, hadn’t been, uh, hadn’t gone through a rite of passage, if you will, or had, had been going through a rite of p