Well, it's that time again - Public Service Podcasting takes a break from marking and watching the football (we'd give Gareth Southgate and the squad a 74 for their recent performance against Germany) to share the second part of Professor Janine O'Flynn's excellent episode.

This segment explores different approaches to managing Covid-19 in terms of public services and higher education in particular. We also think about the longer-term impacts, which may be enormous for Australia.

If you don't follow @JanineOFlynn on Twitter, well what the heck are you doing? Go and follow her now.

As usual, we are @publicservpod @Ian_c_elliott @karinbottom and @russglennon

Any questions or comments - email us at info@publicservicepodcasting.com