In this Episode Derry Breaks down 3 principles to avoiding burnout.

From Self-Awareness, to Working Genius to Sabbathing Well this episode has it all!

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🕰️TIMECODES

00:00 Introduction and Background

04:37 Principle #1 - Self Awareness

05:54 Personality Profiles

14:08 Refueling Strategies

17:54 Get a Hobby Out of Church

19:47 Be Aware of Seasons

25:03 Balance over Time - Grading Principle

30:06 The Walk, Sprint, Rest Explained

33:21 Find your True Unplug - Sabbath

34:32 Maximizing Vacation Days

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TRANSCRIPT

Nick Clason (00:01 .178)

Well, what's up everyone? Here I am with my friend Derry, who we're just, what were we doing? Like last week we were like counting it out. We've known each other now like nine years, I think it is, which is, that's actually like a weird number to say. That makes me feel old. And I don't think of myself as old, but I think I am now. So Derry, how you doing this morning, bro?

Derry (00:23 .319)

I'm good. You're not old. You're like my youngest brother old does that make sense? I can't be I could be your uncle, but ultimately

Nick Clason (00:27 .654)

Sure, I'll take it. Yeah, so give us like a 30 second flyover, like who are you, in, know, what qualifies you to talk about this topic today of burnout?

Derry (00:43 .758)

I am a youth pastor at heart that served in traditional youth ministry in a youth pastor role for 26 years, 23 of those at one church, three at another. And now I work with ministry leaders as a whole, but really it's all next gen people is where my heart is. And that's what I do through an organization called Standing Stone Ministry and run that in a lot of different formats. And it's all free, confidential, all about coaching, consultation and care.

And why I can talk about this is because I've had incredible victories in it and deep, massive failures when it comes to, I think, avoiding burnout in a lot of places, but also coming face to face with burnout, because it sneaks up on us. And so I can speak from both the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat, which is an old ABC-wide world of sports thing. If you've never seen it, watch the YouTube clip. It's amazing.

Nick Clason (01:37 .946)

Well, I'll listen, I'll just say, for those of you who are like, you know, later on in maybe your youth ministry career and you're trying to create like coaching and cohorts, like Derry is the guy that is throwing a wrench into all of your plans because, I'll just plug like the youth ministry leader cohort, which is incredible value, which people would pay typically thousands of dollars to be a part of your offering now for somehow free. And I don't know how you're doing it.

but I've been a part of it, I've helped facilitate one. I mean, it's awesome. So there's your plug and that's at least a step in this whole burnout deal. So.

Derry (02:10 .958)

Yeah. Thanks, man.

Absolutely, it's huge. how we do it, you just said part of it, because there's some amazing people that do it where by payment is friendship. And then there's a group of people and organizations that believe in this stuff. They love the church and they love the next generation, and they are footing the bill for us to do this. And I hope that alone brings hope to this youth ministry world. Like we just sometimes feel like, you know, everybody's against us. And it is, there's parts that are lot against us. There are people that are

Nick Clason (02:23 .982)

Hahaha

Nick Clason (02:29 .988)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Nick Clason (02:35 .27)

Which is really cool.

Derry (02:45 .95)

So no, they just so know the value. They're either paying it forward from their youth ministry experience, they just recognize that the church and the hope of the church is found in this next generation, and so why not invest in the people investing in them? so, yeah, that's how we do it, but also it's just a reminder to anybody listening to this. Because if you're watching this and you're thinking you're burnt out, part of it is I just, don't make a difference and nobody sees what I'm doing. No, that's seen.

Nick Clason (02:48 .998)

Mm-hmm.

Nick Clason (02:59 .302)

Yeah, it's good.

Nick Clason (03:07 .056)

Hmm, that's good. Well, so Derry has like kind of like a three step sort of framework or little outline, I guess, of what we're gonna kind of walk through today. So what, Derry, take us through like step number one of this whole burnout conversation, where does someone start?

Derry (03:24 .942)

Yeah, yeah, think, you know, it's so hard because burnout comes in so many forms. I mean, there's I'm just way overworked burnout. There's I'm not fulfilled burnout. There's relational burnout, which I don't think I'm to be able to hit that one a lot, but that's big, you know, and that's that's a little bit different. And then there's just like I'm in the wrong kind of work burnout, you know. So so it goes all these different ways. So ultimately, I was just thinking like you said, how do I? And I would say here's how I either have burnout.

or in the midst of burnout, caught it and recognize and put in practices, not so much to get out of it to avoid it the next time. Because I have burnout multiple times, you know? And so people are like, yeah, you lasted 23 years. OK, so three things. they're not like steps, but just like I guess I'd go principles and then some ways I do it. The first, I think, a key to avoiding burnout is self-awareness. I mean, it's just a simple thing. It's self-awareness because we're all wired in different ways.

Nick Clason (04:02 .021)

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Nick Clason (04:10 .576)

Okay.

Nick Clason (04:16 .39)

Hmm.

Derry (04:21 .326)

that we will find our fuel, we'll find our exhaustion, we'll find ourselves caught up in our head and we'll refuel in different ways. And so that's a big one and I'll give you three pieces inside of self-awareness and you can stop me and ask me along in this. I would say the first one that I would throw out is your personality and your working genius is what I throw out. There's profiles out there that help you just learn.

what, like who you are. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't, they're, they're profiles, right? They're not, they're not like, I got really tired of the Enneagram when it hit because I, I was into the disc profile. Others are Myers and Briggs, Myers Briggs. And I got annoyed with the Enneagram becaus