After asking so many of our guests “What does it mean to make it?”, it felt like time to answer the question ourselves.

In an honest, raw, and personal conversation, we sit down—just the two of us—to reflect on what making it means right now in our own lives. We talk about the reality of being full-time creatives, how our definitions of success have shifted, and why some parts of life feel magnificent... while others feel messy, uncertain, and a little scary.

We touch on:

• The impact of the global economy on the arts (and our own projects)


• The invisible pressures of creative entrepreneurship


• Our evolving relationship with money, meaning, and momentum


• What’s been bringing us joy—and what’s been keeping us up at night


• Why vulnerability can feel like a risk and a relief

This episode is an invitation to sit with us in the in-between. To hear us reflect—not as polished hosts or curated guests—but as humans trying to make art, make sense of the world, and still, somehow, make it.

If you’ve ever questioned your path or wondered if anyone else feels like they’re still figuring it out—this one’s for you.

You're not alone. And we’re glad you’re here.

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Intro song: “A Day in the Life"

Outro song: “The Show" both by Mike (Michael S. Ryan) from his upcoming 88 song project Power Chords

Mike's site: www.michaelsryan.com

Kristen’s site: www.kristenherringtonart.com