In this episode, Hugh sits down with Judge Kathleen O'Malley. Judge O’Malley served as a judge of the United States District Court for the Northern District of Ohio from 1994 to 2010, and since then as a judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit.

Their conversation covers:
● Judge O’Malley’s educational and professional background.
● How did Judge O’Malley become a federal judge?
● Jury or nonjury litigation: from the judge’s perspective, which is better?
● What role does “charm” play in litigation?
● How did Judge O’Malley get interested in patent law?
● The Supreme Court’s decision in Google v. Oracle.
● District Court or Court of Appeals: for the judge, which experience was better?
● Why is Judge O’Malley retiring from the bench?
● And much more . . .