Stephen Schettini speaks with Ted Meissner about Ted’s experience at a Mindfulness-based Stress Reduction workshop with Jon Kabat-Zinn, his commitment as a practicing Buddhist — notwithstanding his secularism, about religion and Buddhist institutions, about magic and materialism, spirituality and naturalism, fables and myth. Finally they speculate on the migration of Buddhism away from the exclusive monastic environment and into the more eclectic settings of lay life.