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Episode 343: Creating The Cruiserweight Division

Episode 343: Creating The Cruiserweight Division

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This podcast episode features a conversation between Ray Thompson and Eric Bischoff, the former President of WCW, about the creation and impact of the Cruiserweight Division. The episode begins with Ray's plans for a road trip and a humorous discussion about "glizzies" on the grill. They then acknowledge the recent hurricane in South Florida and express their thoughts and prayers for those affected. The conversation shifts to the Cruiserweight Division, with Ray and Eric discussing its significance in Nitro's success and its influence on the rise of smaller talent. Eric explains his inspiration for creating the division, drawing from his observations of New Japan Pro Wrestling's Light Heavyweight division. He emphasizes the importance of creating a distinct identity for the division, opting for "Cruiserweight" over "Light Heavyweight" to avoid connotations of being "less than." Eric details his strategic decision to launch the Cruiserweight division during the "crossover hour" (9 pm), a time when viewers often switch channels. He believed the division's fast-paced, dynamic style would capture the attention of viewers and encourage them to stay tuned. Ray and Eric discuss the historical stigma associated with the "Light Heavyweight" and "Junior Heavyweight" titles in wrestling, suggesting that they were often seen as consolation prizes or a sign of being "less than." They explore the potential influence of Jim Crockett Promotions in creating this perception. The conversation examines early reports about the planned Cruiserweight tournament, including rumors that it would be built around Brian Pillman and feature wrestlers from Japan and Mexico. They discuss the evolution of the tournament's concept and the role of Japanese talent in its development. Ray and Eric address a rumor that Eric was not interested in Eddie Guerrero for the Cruiserweight division. Eric vehemently denies this, explaining that it was New Japan Pro Wrestling who approached him about signing Eddie, Chris Benoit, and Dean Malenko as full-time WCW talent. The conversation shifts to the impact of WCW Nitro on the cruiserweight division, discussing how the introduction of Nitro led to a shift in focus from a cruiserweight division to a more general focus on talent that could draw in a wider audience. Eric Bischoff discusses his vision for the cruiserweight division, emphasizing its importance in providing a unique and exciting visual presentation to hold onto the existing audience and attract new viewers. He explains that he wanted to present action that was substantively different from the rest of the show, eliminating the sameness quality. The conversation focuses on the importance of credibility in the cruiserweight division. Eric Bischoff explains that bringing in champions from New Japan, like Otani, gave credibility to the WCW title and showcased WCW's commitment to international talent. The conversation concludes with a discussion about WCW's success with the cruiserweight division. Eric Bischoff attributes the success to his clear vision, commitment, and execution, as well as the contributions of Brad Regans, Sonny Onoo, and Conan. He also emphasizes the importance of having a compelling "why" for the division, which he believes was lacking in other promotions. The episode ends with Eric Bischoff reflecting on the missed opportunity to fully develop the Cruiserweight Division in WCW. He believes it could have been a major success, even having its own show, but the NWO's dominance overshadowed it. He acknowledges that the NWO's success, while overshadowing other storylines, ultimately led to the Cruiserweight Division's long-term success. He discusses what might have happened if Hogan hadn't turned heel, speculating that the Cruiserweights could have become the A-storyline. The episode concludes with an advertisement for SaveWithEric.com, a service that helps people refinance their mortgages and save money. Eric Bischoff, now a licensed mortgage advisor, shares his personal experience and encourages listeners to check out the website. The advertisement continues, focusing on how SaveWithEric.com can help people turn their houses into their dream homes. Eric Bischoff emphasizes the service's ability to help people with credit challenges and achieve financial peace of mind. Eric Bischoff shares his personal experience with SaveWithEric.com, highlighting the satisfaction he gets from helping people save money. He emphasizes the importance of financial stability and how the service helped him and his wife during a difficult time. Eric Bischoff promotes SaveWithEric.com's positive reviews and testimonials, emphasizing the company's commitment to customer satisfaction and competitive rates. He contrasts their approach with traditional banks and credit unions, highlighting their personalized service. Eric Bischoff is asked about the difference in success between WCW's Cruiserweight Division and WWE's 205 Live. He admits he didn't watch 205 Live enough to provide a detailed analysis but suggests it might have lacked the "special" factor that made WCW's division stand out. The episode concludes with a discussion about the upcoming AEW Wrestle Dream pay-per-view, focusing on the main event between Brian Danielson and Jon Moxley. They speculate that this might be Danielson's last match for a while and express their hopes for his future.

Outlines

00:00:00
Introduction and Road Trip Plans

Ray Thompson introduces the episode and shares his plans for a road trip to Minneapolis, LaCrosse, and Decorah, Iowa. He mentions visiting family and friends, including Bob Nearcorn and his wife, Levin Holman.

00:01:46
Glizzies and a Viral Tweet

Ray discusses his upcoming visit with Bob Nearcorn and jokes about the possibility of having "glizzies" on the grill. He suggests a photo opportunity for a viral tweet featuring a glizzy on the grill.

00:02:31
Hurricane Relief and a Time of Uncertainty

Ray and Eric acknowledge the recent hurricane in South Florida and express their thoughts and prayers for those affected. They discuss their plans to raise money or awareness for the relief effort.

00:07:39
The Cruiserweight Division: A Nitro Highlight

Ray and Eric discuss the Cruiserweight division, which Ray believes was a significant part of Nitro's success. They explore the division's impact on the wrestling landscape and its influence on the rise of smaller talent.

00:10:30
The Evolution of the Cruiserweight Division

Eric explains his inspiration for creating the Cruiserweight division, drawing from his observations of New Japan Pro Wrestling's Light Heavyweight division. He emphasizes the importance of creating a distinct identity for the division, opting for "Cruiserweight" over "Light Heavyweight" to avoid connotations of being "less than."

00:15:16
Strategic Placement and the Crossover Hour

Eric details his strategic decision to launch the Cruiserweight division during the "crossover hour" (9 pm), a time when viewers often switch channels. He believed the division's fast-paced, dynamic style would capture the attention of viewers and encourage them to stay tuned.

00:21:38
The Stigma of Light Heavyweight and Junior Heavyweight

Ray and Eric discuss the historical stigma associated with the "Light Heavyweight" and "Junior Heavyweight" titles in wrestling, suggesting that they were often seen as consolation prizes or a sign of being "less than." They explore the potential influence of Jim Crockett Promotions in creating this perception.

00:27:15
The Cruiserweight Tournament: Early Rumors and Plans

Ray and Eric examine early reports about the planned Cruiserweight tournament, including rumors that it would be built around Brian Pillman and feature wrestlers from Japan and Mexico. They discuss the evolution of the tournament's concept and the role of Japanese talent in its development.

00:49:32
The Eddie Guerrero Rumor and the New Japan Connection

Ray and Eric address a rumor that Eric was not interested in Eddie Guerrero for the Cruiserweight division. Eric vehemently denies this, explaining that it was New Japan Pro Wrestling who approached him about signing Eddie, Chris Benoit, and Dean Malenko as full-time WCW talent.

00:54:56
The Tokyo Dome Show and the Evolution of the Cruiserweight Division

Ray and Eric discuss Eric's trips to Japan for the Tokyo Dome shows and the influence of those experiences on the Cruiserweight division. They examine the early stages of the division's development and the role of luchadors in its eventual form.

01:31:41
The Impact of Nitro on the Cruiserweight Division

The conversation begins with a discussion about the impact of WCW Nitro on the cruiserweight division. The speakers discuss how the introduction of Nitro led to a shift in focus from a cruiserweight division to a more general focus on talent that could draw in a wider audience.

01:35:56
Eric Bischoff's Vision for the Cruiserweight Division

Eric Bischoff discusses his vision for the cruiserweight division, emphasizing its importance in providing a unique and exciting visual presentation to hold onto the existing audience and attract new viewers. He explains that he wanted to present action that was substantively different from the rest of the show, eliminating the sameness quality.

01:40:59
Dave Meltzer's Perspective on the Cruiserweight Division

Dave Meltzer's perspective on the cruiserweight division is discussed, highlighting his belief that the division should be used to attract younger fans. Eric Bischoff counters this argument, stating that his target audience was 18-49 year olds and that he brought in the cruiserweights for visual presentation and differentiation, not demographic reasons.

01:50:12
The Evolution of WCW's Television Wrestling

The conversation shifts to the evolution of WCW's television wrestling, specifically focusing on the cruiserweight division. The speakers discuss how the cruiserweight matches were a departure from the traditional WCW style and how Eric Bischoff was leading the charge in this change.

01:56:56
Chris Benoit's Position in the Cruiserweight Division

The speakers discuss Chris Benoit's position in the cruiserweight division, noting that despite his size and stature, he was always positioned as a heavyweight. Eric Bischoff explains that Benoit's size and build made him believable against heavyweights, making it easier to move him back and forth between divisions.

02:01:52
The Importance of Credibility in the Cruiserweight Division

The conversation focuses on the importance of credibility in the cruiserweight division. Eric Bischoff explains that bringing in champions from New Japan, like Otani, gave credibility to the WCW title and showcased WCW's commitment to international talent.

02:09:13
Otani's Limited Time in WCW

The speakers discuss Otani's limited time in WCW, speculating on the reasons behind his departure. Eric Bischoff suggests that Sonny Onoo might have insights into the situation, but he personally doesn't have any specific information.

02:10:10
Dean Malenko's Significance as a WCW Talent

Eric Bischoff explains why Dean Malenko was the right choice to be the first WCW cruiserweight champion. He highlights Malenko's intensity, believability, and understated nature, which made him a compelling performer in his eyes.

02:17:24
Ray Mysterio's Debut at Great American Bash

The conversation shifts to Ray Mysterio's debut at Great American Bash, discussing the controversy surrounding his appearance on the pay-per-view. Eric Bischoff explains that his decision to debut Mysterio on pay-per-view was not about proving a point, but rather about establishing the cruiserweight division as a whole.

02:29:48
Conan's Role in the Cruiserweight Division

The speakers discuss Conan's role in the cruiserweight division, highlighting his importance in securing talent like Ray Mysterio. Eric Bischoff emphasizes Conan's credibility and street cred, which were essential in attracting talent to WCW.

02:34:20
The Impact of Bash at the Beach 96

The conversation focuses on Bash at the Beach 96, specifically the match between Rey Mysterio and Psychosis. The speakers discuss how the match was overshadowed by the Hogan turn, but it was still considered a great match by Dave Meltzer.

02:37:29
Defining a "Good Match"

The speakers discuss the definition of a "good match," highlighting the different perspectives of Eric Bischoff and Dave Meltzer. Eric Bischoff emphasizes the importance of storytelling, character development, and revenue generation, while Dave Meltzer focuses on in-ring performance and technical execution.

02:42:10
Rey Mysterio's Cruiserweight Championship Win

The conversation focuses on Rey Mysterio's cruiserweight championship win at the Disney Studios in July 1996. Eric Bischoff discusses how the match exceeded his expectations for the cruiserweight division and how the talent over-delivered on his vision.

02:49:40
WCW's Success with the Cruiserweight Division

The conversation concludes with a discussion about WCW's success with the cruiserweight division. Eric Bischoff attributes the success to his clear vision, commitment, and execution, as well as the contributions of Brad Regans, Sonny Onoo, and Conan. He also emphasizes the importance of having a compelling "why" for the division, which he believes was lacking in other promotions.

03:01:12
The Cruiserweight Division's Potential

Eric Bischoff reflects on the missed opportunity to fully develop the Cruiserweight Division in WCW. He believes it could have been a major success, even having its own show, but the NWO's dominance overshadowed it.

03:03:33
The NWO's Impact on WCW

Eric Bischoff acknowledges that the NWO's success, while overshadowing other storylines, ultimately led to the Cruiserweight Division's long-term success. He discusses what might have happened if Hogan hadn't turned heel, speculating that the Cruiserweights could have become the A-storyline.

03:06:35
The "What If" Scenario

Eric Bischoff continues to explore the "what if" scenario, imagining a world where the NWO didn't achieve its massive success. He believes the Cruiserweights would have had a greater chance to rise to prominence in WCW.

03:06:42
SaveWithEric.com Advertisement

This segment is an advertisement for SaveWithEric.com, a service that helps people refinance their mortgages and save money. Eric Bischoff, now a licensed mortgage advisor, shares his personal experience and encourages listeners to check out the website.

03:08:46
Turning Your House into a Dream Home

The advertisement continues, focusing on how SaveWithEric.com can help people turn their houses into their dream homes. Eric Bischoff emphasizes the service's ability to help people with credit challenges and achieve financial peace of mind.

03:10:40
Eric's Experience with SaveWithEric.com

Eric Bischoff shares his personal experience with SaveWithEric.com, highlighting the satisfaction he gets from helping people save money. He emphasizes the importance of financial stability and how the service helped him and his wife during a difficult time.

03:12:44
SaveWithEric.com Reviews and Testimonials

Eric Bischoff promotes SaveWithEric.com's positive reviews and testimonials, emphasizing the company's commitment to customer satisfaction and competitive rates. He contrasts their approach with traditional banks and credit unions, highlighting their personalized service.

03:14:15
Comparing WCW's Cruiserweight Division to WWE's 205 Live

Eric Bischoff is asked about the difference in success between WCW's Cruiserweight Division and WWE's 205 Live. He admits he didn't watch 205 Live enough to provide a detailed analysis but suggests it might have lacked the "special" factor that made WCW's division stand out.

03:16:01
AEW Wrestle Dream Preview

Eric Bischoff and Tony Shivani discuss the upcoming AEW Wrestle Dream pay-per-view, focusing on the main event between Brian Danielson and Jon Moxley. They speculate that this might be Danielson's last match for a while and express their hopes for his future.

Keywords

Cruiserweight Division


A wrestling division featuring lighter weight wrestlers known for their high-flying, fast-paced style. It gained popularity in WCW during the Nitro era, influencing the rise of smaller talent in the industry.

Nitro


WCW's flagship television program, which aired on Monday nights and challenged WWE's Monday Night Raw for viewership dominance in the late 1990s.

New Japan Pro Wrestling


A Japanese professional wrestling promotion known for its strong style and focus on technical wrestling. It has a long history of collaboration with other wrestling promotions, including WCW.

Luchador


A professional wrestler from Mexico, known for their colorful costumes, high-flying moves, and dramatic storytelling. Luchadores have had a significant influence on the Cruiserweight division in WCW and other promotions.

International Talent


Wrestlers from outside the United States, often representing different styles and cultures, such as lucha libre from Mexico or strong style from Japan.

Visual Presentation


The visual aspects of a wrestling show, including the action, the characters, the sets, and the overall aesthetic, which can be used to attract and engage viewers.

Differentiation


The process of making a product or service stand out from its competitors by highlighting its unique features and benefits.

Storytelling


The art of creating and presenting narratives in wrestling, involving characters, conflicts, and resolutions, which can enhance the emotional impact and engagement of the audience.

Character Development


The process of creating and evolving characters in wrestling, giving them depth, motivations, and backstories, which can make them more relatable and compelling to the audience.

Q&A

  • What inspired Eric Bischoff to create the Cruiserweight division?

    Eric was inspired by the Light Heavyweight division in New Japan Pro Wrestling, which he observed during his time in Japan. He wanted to create a distinct division in WCW that would showcase the athleticism and high-flying style of smaller wrestlers.

  • Why did Eric choose the term "Cruiserweight" over "Light Heavyweight"?

    Eric wanted to avoid the connotation of "less than" that was associated with the term "Light Heavyweight." He felt that "Cruiserweight" sounded more powerful and would help establish a unique identity for the division.

  • How did Eric strategically place the Cruiserweight division on Nitro?

    Eric decided to launch the division during the "crossover hour" (9 pm), a time when viewers often switch channels. He believed the division's fast-paced, dynamic style would capture the attention of viewers and encourage them to stay tuned.

  • What was the historical stigma associated with the "Light Heavyweight" and "Junior Heavyweight" titles in wrestling?

    These titles were often seen as consolation prizes or a sign of being "less than" in the wrestling world. This perception may have been influenced by the way these titles were used in Jim Crockett Promotions, where they were often held by enhancement talent.

  • How did the relationship between New Japan Pro Wrestling and WCW influence the Cruiserweight division?

    New Japan Pro Wrestling approached Eric about signing Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, and Dean Malenko as full-time WCW talent. This collaboration helped bring in talented wrestlers from Japan and contributed to the division's success.

  • What was Eric Bischoff's vision for the cruiserweight division?

    Eric Bischoff envisioned the cruiserweight division as a unique and exciting visual presentation that would differentiate WCW from WWE. He wanted to present action that was substantively different from the rest of the show, eliminating the sameness quality and attracting a wider audience.

  • How did the introduction of WCW Nitro impact the cruiserweight division?

    The introduction of WCW Nitro led to a shift in focus from a cruiserweight division to a more general focus on talent that could draw in a wider audience. The speakers discuss how the cruiserweight division was initially a priority, but the need to compete with WWE's Monday Night Raw led to a broader approach to talent acquisition.

  • What was the importance of credibility in the cruiserweight division?

    Eric Bischoff believed that bringing in champions from New Japan, like Otani, gave credibility to the WCW title and showcased WCW's commitment to international talent. This helped to differentiate WCW from WWE and establish Nitro as the largest and most successful wrestling organization in the world.

  • Why was Dean Malenko the right choice to be the first WCW cruiserweight champion?

    Eric Bischoff chose Dean Malenko as the first WCW cruiserweight champion because he represented everything he personally liked in a performer. Malenko's intensity, believability, and understated nature made him a compelling performer in Bischoff's eyes.

Show Notes

On this epic edition of 83Weeks, Eric and Conrad take a deep dive into the creation of the WCW cruiserweight division. Eric shares his process moving away from the stigma of the lightweight division and creating something new and exciting for the company. He also discusses the lengths he went to gather all the best in the world to compete for the new championship belt. This is a 3+ hour episode packed with tons of details, stories and facts you won't hear anywhere else from the creator himself.

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