Journey mapping is reaching its limits. Sure, journey maps and mapping work fine at a small project or team level. 

But it quickly breaks down when you want to organize around the journey, at a bigger company scale. In order to do this, you need something that goes beyond mapping. But before we dig into what that is, let's look at why journey mapping breaks down:

• Everyone has their way of doing it; there is no standard.


• It's hard to get an overview across multiple journeys.


• Identifying and prioritizing opportunities is a challenge.


• Tracking progress and impact isn't part of the process.


• Adoption slows down as most tools aren't made for business users.


• And many other things...

Now, this might sound strange, but I think these are good challenges to have.

The fact that these challenges are becoming more pressing is a sign. A sign that the demand for a journey-centric way of working is growing inside companies. Something that we've been hoping and advocating for all these years. So what is the next step...

How do you take your journey mapping game to the next level?

Well, that's what Jochem van der Veer and I explore in this week's episode. As you'll hear, Jochem has a unique close-up view of how companies use journeys inside their business. 

Want to help your company organize around the journey, beyond a single project or team? This conversation will get you heading in the right direction.

What I found interesting is that we're seeing the contours of a new business approach and philosophy emerging. Makes me excited!

Enjoy the conversation and keep making a positive impact :)

- Marc

--- [ 1. GUIDE ] ---

00:00 Welcome to episode 167

04:45 Who is Jochem

06:00 Lightning round

08:30 Partnership with TheyDo

12:00 What is Journey Management

13:30 Mapping vs. management

17:15 Journey management stack

19:30 What is the problem

21:00 Product or service-centric

26:15 Maturity levels

32:00 Role of TheyDo

36:15 Governance

38:15 What is the right time

43:00 Journey Management Index

47:45 Closing thoughts

--- [ 2. LINKS ] ---

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/jochemvanderveer/


• https://www.theydo.com

--- [ 3. JOURNEY MANAGEMENT INDEX ] ---

Assess your journey excellence maturity level. Find opportunities for growth. Benchmark yourself against your colleagues and competitors.

https://www.servicedesignshow.com/index