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This podcast delves into a wide range of topics, beginning with sponsorships for RULA, Neutrophol, and Hello Fresh. The conversation then shifts to filmmaking, discussing the economics of movies like "Dead Man's Wire," comparing budgets to historical films, and exploring crowdfunding. The discussion touches on the evolution of economic realities, childhood influences, and the impact of the Beat Generation on early films. The podcast also covers the beginnings of comedy careers, the genesis of Saturday Night Live, and the changing nature of comedy. A significant portion is dedicated to the complexities of capitalism, intellectual property, and music copyright issues, with examples like Robin Thicke and George Harrison. The conversation then moves to film analysis, discussing critical acclaim, the evolution of media, and the roles in production. The podcast revisits mental health and sponsorships before exploring personal reflections on intimacy, comedy influences from Mad Magazine and National Lampoon, and the enduring legacy of SNL. Later segments delve into parenting styles, directorial authority, and critiques of films like "Citizen Kane" and "Gone With The Wind." The discussion also touches on systemic issues in capitalism, religion, mortality in film, and the cultural impact of figures like Woody Allen. Generational shifts, education, and political views are examined, alongside historical parallels like McCarthyism and the Rosenberg case. The nature of performance in film, the legacy of Lenny Bruce, and the cultural shifts of the late 1950s and 1960s are explored, leading into discussions about Woodstock and generational experiences. The podcast then shifts to current film discussions, including Oscar buzz, performances by Bill Skarsgård and Sean Penn, and the concept of "black comedy." The evolution of the Oscars, the nature of winning awards, and historical anecdotes about the Academy Awards are discussed. The conversation also touches on filmmaking dedication, on-budget production, and directorial control, using Stanley Kubrick and "Eyes Wide Shut" as examples. Finally, the podcast addresses allegations surrounding Jeffrey Epstein, Gus Van Sant's remake of "Psycho," studio strategies, navigating Hollywood's "phony" culture, pitfalls in filmmaking, and misogyny in the industry, concluding with brief mentions of future projects.

Outlines

00:00:00

Introduction, Sponsorships, and Filmmaking Economics

The podcast opens with discussions on men's mental health and RULA, followed by sponsorships for Neutrophol hair supplements and Hello Fresh meal kits. It then transitions to filmmaking, introducing the film "Dead Man's Wire," its independent nature, crowdfunding model, and budget comparisons to historical films, highlighting the changing value of money over time.

00:05:09

Economic Shifts, Childhood, and Early Influences

The conversation explores the shifting economic realities since the 1950s, including changes in poverty definitions and the cost of essentials. The guest shares childhood experiences and discusses Denver's connection to the Beat Generation, reflecting on how these influences shaped early films like "Drugstore Cowboy" and "My Private Idaho."

00:07:42

Coming of Age, Societal Shifts, and Early Career Ventures

The guest describes his transition from childhood interests to music in 1968, touching on the draft and white privilege. He recounts family travels, his upbringing, and his experience as a college pot dealer to support himself while pursuing comedy.

00:12:08

Early Struggles in Comedy and the Genesis of SNL

The podcast details early struggles in Los Angeles while breaking into show business, including working for Ken Shapiro and the film "The Groove Tube." It then explores the origins of Saturday Night Live, Lorne Michaels' involvement, and the evolution of comedy, including spoofs and musical numbers.

00:17:15

Capitalism, Intellectual Property, and Music Copyright

The discussion delves into the harsh realities of capitalism, idea theft, and challenges for inventors, using the example of "Politically Incorrect." It then shifts to music copyright issues, citing examples like "Blurred Lines" and "My Sweet Lord," and discussing the subjective nature of musical similarity.

00:20:13

Film Analysis, Media Evolution, and Production Roles

The guest acknowledges positive career reviews and discusses Buck Henry's writing. The conversation touches on the rise of cable television, modern platforms like TikTok, and the idea of remaking films. The importance of makeup artists and the challenges of aging in the industry are humorously highlighted.

00:25:54

Mental Health, Hair Health, and Personal Reflections

The podcast revisits the theme of men's mental health and promotes RULA as an accessible therapy solution. It then shifts to hair health, presenting NutriFall as a dermatologist-recommended supplement. Personal anecdotes about early experiences with adult magazines and evolving perspectives on intimacy are shared.

00:30:14

Comedy Influences: Mad Magazine, National Lampoon, and SNL's Legacy

The guest discusses formative years with Mad Magazine and the transition to National Lampoon's humor, highlighting key contributors. The significant influence of National Lampoon on sketch comedy, particularly its connection to Saturday Night Live, is explored, mentioning the album "Lemmings." The enduring impact of SNL and Lorne Michaels on comedy and talent discovery is acknowledged.

00:34:10

SNL Succession, Set Dynamics, and Parenting Styles

The conversation speculates on the future of Saturday Night Live after Lorne Michaels, emphasizing the importance of casting and finding new stars. It touches upon challenging actor personalities like Bill Murray and Chevy Chase and volatile set atmospheres. Strong opinions are expressed on modern parenting, criticizing a lack of discipline and coddling.

00:42:47

Directorial Authority, Film Critiques, and Cultural Icons

An anecdote about Orson Welles firing someone illustrates directorial authority. The discussion critiques "Citizen Kane" and explores how older films hold up over time, comparing "Bringing Up Baby" and "What's Up, Doc?". Fondness for "Gone With The Wind" is expressed, debating its appeal and Scarlet O'Hara's status. Iconic lines from "Gone With The Wind" and "The Graduate" are analyzed for their cultural impact and evolving societal norms.

00:50:02

Period Pieces, Systemic Issues, and Philosophical Musings

The guest reflects on his filmography's tendency towards 1970s settings and the challenges of directing period pieces. The story behind "Dead Man's Wire" is recalled, linking it to individuals wronged by financial systems. The inherent cruelty of capitalism and the natural world is questioned, exploring the idea of a more benevolent creation.

00:58:42

Religion, Agnosticism, and the Contemplation of Mortality

Views on religion, spirituality, and the afterlife are discussed, expressing a shared belief in the limits of human understanding. The recurring theme of mortality in the guest's films is explored as a narrative device, and how age influences perspectives on death.

01:02:13

Cultural Icons, Generational Shifts, and Political Views

The early career and cultural impact of Woody Allen are discussed alongside figures like Barbra Streisand and Bob Dylan. Perceived shifts in political ideologies and the influence of younger generations are touched upon, with concerns raised about social media's role.

01:05:24

Education, Political Discourse, and Historical Parallels

The guest reflects on his educational experience, noting a lack of political discourse compared to the current environment influenced by social media. Student activism during the anti-war movement is contrasted with the present climate. Subtle conservative leanings regarding Vietnam War protests are mentioned, followed by a discussion of McCarthyism and the Rosenberg case.

01:07:36

The Art of Performance and the Legacy of Lenny Bruce

The concept of a "great performance" in movies is debated, questioning its appreciation in isolation from the film's quality, using "Lenny" and Dustin Hoffman as examples. Lenny Bruce's groundbreaking work in pushing free speech boundaries in comedy and his struggles with censorship are highlighted.

01:12:48

Cultural Shifts, Woodstock, and Modern Film Buzz

The podcast delves into the cultural shifts of the late 1950s and 1960s, referencing the Beatniks and counter-culture. Discussions about Woodstock and generational experiences follow. The conversation shifts to current film and potential Oscar contenders, focusing on Bill Skarsgård's performance.

01:17:10

Sean Penn, Black Comedy, and the Evolution of the Oscars

Sean Penn's acting abilities and potential Oscar win are discussed, along with the film's "woke" appeal. His activism and humanitarian work are highlighted. The genre of "black comedy" is discussed using "To Die For" as an example, and how studios might misinterpret such films. The critique of the Oscars shifting focus from cinematic achievement to perceived moral virtue is presented.

01:25:18

The Nature of Winning Awards and Academy Award Origins

The speakers debate the meaning of "winning" in award shows, contrasting it with competitive victories. A historical anecdote reveals the Oscars were created by Louis B. Mayer to prevent actors from unionizing.

01:26:52

Filmmaking Dedication, Budgeting, and Kubrick's Control

Howard Hughes' dedication to filmmaking and meticulous approach to aerial scenes are discussed. The challenges of staying on budget, the role of insurance companies, and studio perspectives on over-budget productions are explored. Stanley Kubrick's directorial style, extended shooting schedules for "Eyes Wide Shut," and the use of flat fees are highlighted.

01:30:04

"Eyes Wide Shut," Jeffrey Epstein, and Film Remakes

The plot of "Eyes Wide Shut," its secret society, and themes of wealth, power, and sexuality are discussed. The conversation shifts to Jeffrey Epstein, allegations of sex trafficking, and skepticism about his death. Gus Van Sant's remake of "Psycho" and the director's approach to remakes are discussed.

01:35:51

Actor Relationships, Studio Strategies, and Hollywood's Culture

The power of strong actor-director relationships in securing projects with studios is discussed. Studios leverage potential award wins to secure talent. The pressure directors face and the importance of critical reception versus star power are touched upon. The perceived phoniness in Hollywood and the challenges of navigating the industry are reflected upon.

01:40:43

Pitfalls in Filmmaking, Industry Safety, and Future Projects

The numerous ways a film can fail, particularly due to directorial incompetence, are addressed. Historical misogyny in the film industry and recent improvements in creating safer environments for women are acknowledged. The speakers briefly discuss upcoming projects and career aspirations.

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Q&A

• What is RULA and how does it help people seeking therapy?

  RULA is a healthcare company that simplifies the process of finding and accessing therapy. They aim to make mental health support more accessible and affordable by working with most major insurance plans and offering a large network of licensed therapists.

• How does Neutrophol address hair loss concerns?

  Neutrophol is a dermatologist-recommended hair growth supplement brand that aims to promote thicker, stronger, and faster-growing hair with less shedding. It is designed to help individuals experiencing various forms of hair thinning and loss.

• What was unique about the funding of the film "Dead Man's Wire"?

  "Dead Man's Wire" was funded through a crowdfunding model involving 100 producers, each contributing a significant amount. This approach allowed for the film's independent production and is a departure from traditional studio financing.

• How has the economic landscape changed since the 1950s, according to the discussion?

  The discussion highlights that while food costs have remained relatively stable as a percentage of income, essentials like housing, college tuition, medical care, and childcare have become significantly more expensive or non-existent as free family support.

• What role did the Beat Generation play in the guest's early work?

  The guest acknowledges the influence of the Beat Generation, particularly figures like Neal Cassady and Jack Kerouac, on his early films such as "Drugstore Cowboy" and "My Private Idaho." This influence is seen in the themes and milieu explored in these movies.

• What is the significance of Saturday Night Live in the comedy world?

  Saturday Night Live (SNL) is a highly influential sketch comedy show that has launched the careers of numerous comedians and actors. Its unique format and consistent discovery of talent have shaped the landscape of comedy for decades.

• What are the main criticisms of modern parenting discussed in the podcast?

  The podcast criticizes modern parenting for a perceived lack of discipline, excessive coddling, and prioritizing children's opinions as equal to adults. This approach is argued to hinder healthy development and lead to spoiled children.

• How does the podcast describe the nature of capitalism?

  Capitalism is described as a "tooth and claw" system where competition is fierce, and ideas can be stolen. While it generates wealth, it is also characterized by exploitation and a struggle for survival, mirroring aspects of the natural world.

• What are the guest's and host's views on religion and the afterlife?

  Both express a form of agnosticism, believing that humans are not equipped to fully comprehend the mysteries of life, death, and the divine. They suggest that any answers about the afterlife are beyond current human understanding.

• How does the podcast discuss the theme of mortality in the guest's films?

  Mortality is presented as a compelling conflict for characters and a significant story device in the guest's films. The discussion also touches upon how personal experiences and age can bring the contemplation of death more to the forefront.

• What was the subtle political leaning of the teacher mentioned in the podcast?

  The teacher, possibly named Jaeger, was perceived as having subtle conservative leanings, particularly in his dim view of protesting the government's actions during the Vietnam War, though it wasn't overtly expressed.

• What is the significance of Lenny Bruce in the context of free speech?

  Lenny Bruce was a pioneer who pushed the boundaries of free speech, especially in comedy, by openly discussing taboo subjects and challenging censorship. He faced numerous arrests and trials for his performances.

• How did the Beatniks fit into the cultural scene of the late 1950s and early 1960s?

  Beatniks were associated with the counter-culture, often appearing in jazz clubs between musical acts. They represented a new generation with evolving ideas that foreshadowed the later hippie movement.

• What is the main argument about "great performances" in movies?

  The argument is that a truly great performance needs context within a good movie. A performance in isolation, without a strong film to support it, might not be as impactful or enjoyable.

• Why is the discussion around Jeffrey Epstein's death so controversial?

  The controversy stems from the lack of thorough investigation into his death, which was officially ruled a suicide. Many suspect foul play due to his connections with powerful individuals and the sensitive information he possessed.

• What was the original purpose behind the creation of the Academy Awards?

  The Academy Awards were reportedly created by Louis B. Mayer as a strategy to distract actors from unionizing. By giving them awards, he aimed to appease them and divert their attention from forming a union.

• What is the difference between winning an Oscar and winning a sporting event?

  Winning a sporting event is based on objective performance and defeating an opponent. In contrast, winning an Oscar is based on subjective opinion and a vote, making it more akin to a popularity contest than a true measure of skill.

• How did Gus Van Sant approach the remake of "Psycho"?

  Gus Van Sant aimed to replicate Alfred Hitchcock's original film as closely as possible, copying every shot and not changing the ending. The primary difference was the casting of new actors.

• What is the significance of a star wanting to work with a particular director in Hollywood?

  When a star desires to work with a director, it grants the director significant power and leverage with studios. This can help in getting projects greenlit, especially if the star can "open" a movie.

• What historical context is provided regarding misogyny in the film industry?

  The industry was historically misogynistic, with directors sometimes being labeled "women's directors" if they were perceived as less likely to harass actresses. This highlights a past where such behavior was more normalized.

Show Notes