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Happiness isn’t the goal

Happiness isn’t the goal

Update: 2024-09-304
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This podcast delves into the nature of optimism and pessimism, exploring their impact on our perceptions, happiness, and overall well-being. Psychologist Paul Bloom argues that while realism is essential, a certain level of optimism can be beneficial, particularly in motivating action and shaping our experiences. He challenges the notion that optimism is always desirable, highlighting its potential downsides, such as a distorted view of reality and a tendency to overlook potential risks. Bloom also discusses the appeal of pessimism, suggesting that it can provide a sense of structure and importance in a chaotic world. However, he ultimately argues that pessimism is a mistake, as it can lead to passivity and undermine our motivation to make positive change. The conversation explores the relationship between happiness and meaning, with Bloom emphasizing the importance of social contact, meaningful pursuits, and the pursuit of flow states. He suggests that focusing on love, work, and making a positive impact on the world can lead to a sense of fulfillment and satisfaction, which may ultimately contribute to happiness. Bloom also discusses the role of attention in shaping our perceptions and experiences, arguing that we become what we pay attention to. He acknowledges the difficulty of controlling our attention but emphasizes its significant impact on our lives. The podcast concludes with Bloom reflecting on whether his years of studying the mind have made him happier or more optimistic. He acknowledges the benefits of social contact and flow states but ultimately believes that his core personality remains unchanged.

Outlines

00:00:45
Optimism and Realism: A Balanced Perspective

Paul Bloom, a renowned psychologist, argues that optimism is overrated. He believes in realism, seeing the world as it is, and suggests that happiness often stems from getting things right. He discusses the U-shaped curve of happiness throughout life and how priorities shift, potentially leading to greater optimism in later years.

00:03:04
The Nature of Optimism: Attitude, Orientation, or Strategy?

The conversation delves into the nature of our minds and the role of optimism. Bloom questions whether optimism is an attitude, orientation, or life strategy. He explores the potential benefits of optimism in motivating action, but also acknowledges its potential downsides.

00:03:49
Pessimism: A Mistake or a Philosophical Position?

Bloom discusses pessimism, arguing that it's a mistake in perceiving the world differently than it is. He cites Stephen Pinker's argument that the world is getting better, despite our negativity bias. Bloom explores the appeal of pessimism, suggesting it might provide a sense of importance or structure in a chaotic world.

00:42:12
Happiness, Meaning, and the Pursuit of Both

The conversation shifts to happiness, with Bloom emphasizing the importance of social contact and relationships. He discusses research on happiness interventions, highlighting the surprising finding that giving money to strangers can increase happiness. Bloom argues that meaningful pursuits, like love and work, are more important than happiness itself.

00:47:00
The Power of Attention and Shaping Our Experiences

Bloom explores the role of attention in shaping our perceptions and experiences. He suggests that we become what we pay attention to, and that both optimism and pessimism can be justified depending on our focus. He acknowledges the difficulty of controlling our attention, but emphasizes its significant impact on our lives.

00:48:41
The Impact of Studying the Mind on Happiness and Outlook

Bloom reflects on whether his years of studying the mind have made him happier or more optimistic. He acknowledges the benefits of social contact and flow states, but ultimately believes that his core personality remains unchanged.

00:50:29
A Case for Optimism: The Self-Fulfilling Prophecy

Bloom makes a case for optimism, arguing that it can act as a self-fulfilling prophecy. He suggests that believing in better odds can lead to better outcomes, particularly in social interactions. He also highlights the power of acting happy, which can influence others' perceptions and create a positive feedback loop.

Keywords

Negativity Bias


The tendency to focus more on negative experiences and information than positive ones. This bias can lead to a distorted view of the world and contribute to pessimism.

Hedonic Treadmill


The idea that happiness is temporary and that we quickly adapt to positive experiences, leading to a constant need for new sources of pleasure. This concept suggests that happiness is not a sustainable goal.

Flow State


A state of complete absorption in an activity, characterized by a sense of focus, enjoyment, and timelessness. Flow states are often associated with meaningful pursuits and can contribute to a sense of fulfillment.

Beginner's Mind


A state of open-mindedness and curiosity, free from preconceived notions and judgments. This mindset is often associated with children and can be cultivated through practices like mindfulness and meditation.

Self-Fulfilling Prophecy


A belief or expectation that influences behavior in a way that makes the belief come true. This concept suggests that optimism can create a positive feedback loop, leading to more positive outcomes.

Realism


The ability to accept and understand the world as it is, without distortion or wishful thinking. Realism is often contrasted with optimism, but Bloom argues that they are not mutually exclusive.

Meaningful Pursuits


Activities or goals that provide a sense of purpose and fulfillment, often related to love, work, and making a positive impact on the world. Bloom argues that meaningful pursuits are more important than happiness itself.

Q&A

  • What is the relationship between realism and optimism?

    Bloom argues that realism and optimism are not mutually exclusive. He believes in seeing the world as it is, but also acknowledges that a certain level of optimism can be beneficial in motivating action and shaping our experiences.

  • Why is pessimism a mistake, according to Bloom?

    Bloom believes that pessimism is a mistake because it distorts our perception of the world. He cites evidence suggesting that the world is actually getting better, despite our negativity bias. He also argues that pessimism can lead to passivity and undermine our motivation to make positive change.

  • What are the most important things to maximize in life, according to Bloom?

    Bloom believes that meaningful pursuits and relationships are more important than happiness itself. He suggests that focusing on love, work, and making a positive impact on the world can lead to a sense of fulfillment and satisfaction, which may ultimately contribute to happiness.

  • How does attention shape our experiences?

    Bloom argues that we become what we pay attention to. He suggests that both optimism and pessimism can be justified depending on our focus. He acknowledges the difficulty of controlling our attention, but emphasizes its significant impact on our perceptions and well-being.

  • What is the role of self-consciousness in human experience?

    Bloom views self-consciousness as a paradox. While it allows for complex thought and moral reasoning, it also contributes to suffering, doubt, and anxiety. He suggests that the trade-off between the benefits and drawbacks of self-consciousness is inevitable.

Show Notes

Children live with a beginner’s mind. Every day is full of new discoveries, powerful emotions, and often unrealistically positive assumptions about the future. As adults, beginner’s mind gives way to the mundane drudgeries of existence — and our brains seem to make it much harder for us to be happy. Should we be cool with that?

We wrap up our three-part series on optimism with Paul Bloom, author of Psych: The Story of the Human Mind and Sweet Spot: The Pleasures of Suffering and the Search for Meaning. He offers his thoughts on optimism and pessimism and walks Sean Illing through the differences between what we think makes us happy versus what actually does.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling)

Guest: Paul Bloom (@paulbloom), psychologist, author and writer of the Substack Small Potatoes

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