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This podcast delves into the multifaceted nature of failure, authenticity, and emotional expression, featuring insightful conversations between David Duchovny and Kamel Nanjani. The episode begins by introducing the concept of failure as a valuable experience that fosters humility, confronts illusions, and drives personal growth. David Duchovny shares his own experience of confronting his mortality after his cat's illness, which shifted his career focus from results-based decisions to prioritizing meaningful experiences. Kamel Nanjani discusses his journey from a results-driven approach to an experience-driven one, prioritizing meaningful collaborations and personal fulfillment over potential success. The conversation then explores the importance of authenticity in both personal and professional life. Kamel Nanjani reflects on his journey of discovering the value of authenticity in his work, initially striving to express himself uniquely and later embracing the fun and playful aspects of performance. David Duchovny introduces the concept of a humble ambition, particularly in relation to Kamel's desire to deepen his relationship with his wife. The podcast also delves into the societal expectations of masculinity and the importance of emotional expression. Kamel Nanjani discusses his personal struggle with societal expectations of masculinity, particularly the suppression of emotions like sadness and fear. He emphasizes the importance of emotional expression as a sign of strength and a key aspect of healthy relationships. Throughout the conversation, both David Duchovny and Kamel Nanjani share their experiences of approaching work with an underdog mentality, driven by a desire to prove themselves and overcome perceived limitations. They also discuss the potential for success to become a cage, limiting growth and exploration. They emphasize the importance of failure as a catalyst for progress and personal development. The episode concludes with reflections on Kamel Nanjani's journey, praising his ambition to prioritize his relationship and his willingness to question and explore as an artist. The podcast leaves listeners with a deeper understanding of the value of embracing failure, authenticity, and emotional expression in shaping a fulfilling life.

Outlines

00:00:07

Exploring Failure and Authenticity

This episode introduces the concept of failure and its significance in shaping who we are. It sets the stage for a conversation with Kamel Nanjani, a comedian and actor known for his roles in Silicon Valley and Big Sick. The episode also explores the importance of authenticity in personal and professional life, highlighting the value of embracing one's true self.

00:00:47

Kamel Nanjani's Journey in Comedy and Acting

This chapter delves into Kamel Nanjani's background as a comedian and actor, highlighting his work in Silicon Valley, Big Sick, and his collaborative projects with his wife, Emily. It also explores his initial perception of American culture through the lens of the X-Files, which he watched in Pakistan.

00:02:59

The X-Files and American Culture

This chapter delves into Kamel's initial perception of American culture through the lens of the X-Files, which he watched in Pakistan. He shares his belief that the show was based on true stories due to its marketing. The conversation also explores the unique and complex relationship between Mulder and Scully in the X-Files, emphasizing its depth of feeling beyond romantic implications.

00:09:01

Family Humor and Finding One's Voice

This chapter discusses Kamel Nanjani's family's strong comedic tradition and how it initially hindered his own sense of humor. He shares how he discovered his comedic voice after leaving home for college. The conversation also explores the unconventional nature of choosing a career in entertainment and how his practical parents initially struggled to understand his decision.

00:13:52

The Shift from Academic Achiever to Actor

This chapter explores the transition from an academic identity to an actor, highlighting the lack of self-confidence and introspection that accompanied the initial pursuit of acting. The conversation also delves into the fear of mortality and the search for meaning, revealing Kamel Nanjani's early anxieties about mortality and his desire to leave a lasting impact on the world.

00:22:45

The Intrinsic Value of Failure

This chapter explores the concept of failure beyond its role as a stepping stone to success. It emphasizes the value of embracing failure for its ability to foster humility and confront illusions about ourselves. The conversation also discusses the role of religion in providing meaning and humility, and how their own pursuits in comedy and acting are driven by a search for purpose.

00:34:00

The Pressure of Performance and Self-Criticism

This chapter reflects on the pressure placed on oneself during one's career, acknowledging the tendency to over-prepare and over-think. The conversation also explores the underdog mentality and the chip on the shoulder, sharing experiences of approaching work with a desire to prove oneself and overcome perceived limitations.

00:48:25

Success as a Cage and the Power of Failure

This chapter discusses the potential for success to become a cage, limiting growth and exploration. It emphasizes the importance of failure as a catalyst for progress and personal development. The conversation also explores the redefinition of masculinity and emotional expression, highlighting the importance of emotional expression as a sign of strength and a key aspect of healthy relationships.

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Q&A

• How did your initial perception of American culture, shaped by the X-Files, compare to your actual experience?

  Kamel initially believed the X-Files was based on true stories, leading him to expect a world full of aliens and mind control. However, he quickly fell in love with the show and its unique portrayal of the relationship between Mulder and Scully.

• How did your childhood experience of trying to make your mother laugh influence your portrayal of Mulder in the X-Files?

  David Duchovny realized that his subconscious desire to amuse Scully in the X-Files stemmed from his childhood experience of trying to make his mother laugh, highlighting the deep-seated influence of past relationships on our present actions.

• How did your family's comedic tradition affect your own development as a comedian?

  Kamel's family's strong comedic tradition initially made him feel like he couldn't compete, leading him to suppress his own sense of humor. It wasn't until he left home for college that he discovered his own comedic voice.

• How did your decision to pursue a career in entertainment affect your relationship with your family?

  Kamel's parents, being practical people, initially struggled to understand his unconventional career choice. However, they were always supportive, recognizing his thoughtful decision-making process.

• How did your experience with your cat's illness change your perspective on life and your career?

  David Duchovny's experience with his cat's illness made him confront his own mortality for the first time. This realization shifted his career focus from results-based decisions to prioritizing meaningful experiences and personal fulfillment.

• How has your approach to work changed from being results-driven to experience-driven?

  Kamel Nanjani has shifted from prioritizing potential success to focusing on meaningful collaborations and personal fulfillment in his work. He now prioritizes projects that offer enriching experiences, regardless of potential audience reach.

• What is the intrinsic value of failure beyond its role as a stepping stone to success?

  David Duchovny argues that failure holds intrinsic value, fostering humility, confronting illusions about ourselves, and ultimately leading to personal growth and a deeper understanding of ourselves.

• How has your understanding of the purpose of life evolved?

  Kamel Nanjani's understanding of the purpose of life has shifted from a desire to leave a lasting impact to a focus on presence and intimacy in his relationship with his wife. He believes that true fulfillment lies in deepening these connections.

• How does your work reflect your relationship with your wife?

  Kamel Nanjani views his work as a shared endeavor with his wife, who provides unwavering support and belief in his abilities. He sees their relationship as a source of strength and inspiration.

• How has acting helped you to understand yourself better?

  Kamel Nanjani views acting as a form of therapy, allowing him to explore different aspects of himself and gain a deeper understanding of his own identity. This self-discovery has deepened his relationship with his wife.

• How do you deal with the shame of sharing your vulnerabilities with your wife?

  Kamel Nanjani is fortunate to have a wife who is genuinely interested in understanding people's vulnerabilities, creating a safe space for him to share his imperfections without judgment.

• How do you approach self-criticism in your work?

  David Duchovny acknowledges his tendency to over-prepare and over-think, leading to self-imposed pressure. He now views preparation as a platform for letting go and embracing the unexpected in the moment.

• How has your experience of being an underdog shaped your approach to work?

  Both David Duchovny and Kamel Nanjani share a common experience of approaching work with an underdog mentality, driven by a desire to prove themselves and overcome perceived limitations.

• How do you reconcile the potential for success to become a cage?

  David Duchovny and Kamel Nanjani recognize the potential for success to limit growth and exploration. They emphasize the importance of failure as a catalyst for progress and personal development.

• How do you navigate the emotional impact of positive reinforcement, such as an Emmy nomination?

  Kamel Nanjani acknowledges the potential for positive reinforcement to create a false sense of fulfillment. He strives to maintain a balanced perspective and avoid letting external validation define his sense of worth.

• What is your perspective on the idea of success as a cage?

  Both David Duchovny and Kamel Nanjani believe that success can become a cage, limiting growth and exploration. They emphasize the importance of failure as a catalyst for progress and personal development.

• How do you define masculinity in the context of your work and personal life?

  Kamel Nanjani challenges traditional notions of masculinity, emphasizing the importance of emotional expression and vulnerability. He believes that true strength lies in being in touch with one's emotions and expressing them authentically.

• What is your approach to taking on new challenges and exploring uncharted territory in your work?

  Kamel Nanjani prioritizes taking on new challenges and exploring uncharted territory in his work, seeking opportunities to push his boundaries and create something unique.

Show Notes