Tallie and Nava talk about how we changed our minds about Zionism.

Credit for the phrase "hope is a discipline" goes to Mariame Kaba, an organizer, educator and curator who founded Project NIA in Chicago. You can follow her on twitter @prisonculture or at her website (http://mariamekaba.com)

You can (and should!) read "Zionism from the Standpoint of its Jewish Victims" by Ella Shohat here: (https://palestinecollective.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/sephardim-in-israel_-zionism-from-the-standpoint-of-its-jewish-victims.pdf)

Music in this episode is "All Other Things Considered" by Dresden, The Flamingo. Our theme music is by decibelists. (https://www.decibelists.com/)