There's something life-giving in uttering the phrase, "I guess I haven't learned that yet." Seth and Tsh talk with their friend Shauna Niequist about how she's learned to exhale and relearn how her life could be. Through moving to a new city, leaving known familiarity into uncharted territory, and questioning just about everything, Shauna found some much-needed freedom in the sacramentality of a learner's posture.

• Shauna's new book, I Guess I Haven't Learned That Yet


• Shauna on Instagram


• Seth: Newsletter | Website


• Tsh: Newsletter | Website


• Pick up a round of drinks & help keep the show going


• Come to Italy with us


• Our recommended reads


• The Book of Delights, by Ross Gay


• Walking on Water, by Madeleine L'Engle


• Ask Me: 100 Essential Poems of William Stafford